Getting What They Wanted - And Not Liking It.

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This is sort of a glimpse into the future of "good manufacturing jobs" without all those burdensome regulations.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features ... shed-limbs
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cardsfansince82 wrote:This is sort of a glimpse into the future of "good manufacturing jobs" without all those burdensome regulations.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features ... shed-limbs
Inside that, this:
Elsea was 20 and not easily deterred. “She thought she was rich when she brought home that first paycheck,” Ogle says. Elsea and her boyfriend got engaged. She worked 12-hour shifts, seven days a week, hoping to move from temporary status at Ajin to full time, which would bring a raise from $8.75 an hour to $10.50. College can wait, she told her mom and stepdad.
That's so disheartening. This woman worked 7 days/week, on 12-hour shifts, and was a "temporary" worker. That's utter bull [expletive]. That's someone who should not be at min wage under $9 but at like $15/hr, with a big ol benefits package and OT so that for working that amount of time she's able to do more than...dream of one day being considered full time by her employer.

And that's a great metaphor for how this stupid country voted last November. People in this kind of situation voted for the clown who fleeces and cons people so he can live in a solid-gold apartment because they bought the con that said clown was for them.

It's just so sad.
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Mexico - biggest foreign corn market - thinking of banning American corn imports.
The prospect that the United States could lose its largest foreign market for corn and other key products has shaken farming communities throughout the American Midwest, where corn production is a vital part of the economy. The threat is particularly unsettling for many residents of the Corn Belt because much of the region voted overwhelmingly for Mr. Trump in the presidential election.
If we lose Mexico as a customer, it will be absolutely devastating to the ag economy,” said Philip Gordon, 68, who grows corn, soybeans and wheat on a farm in Saline, Mich., that has been in his family for 140 years. Mr. Gordon said he planned to call Mr. Trump at the White House “and remind him we need trade.". "He’s a businessman,” Mr. Gordon said. “He understands how much support for him came from the agricultural community.”
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Brexit related:

Britain apoplectic over Gibraltar being used as Brexit bargaining chip.

Just wait til Northern Ireland and Scotland get serious. What the hell did Brits think when they voted to go it alone?
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Joe Shlabotnik wrote:Mexico - biggest foreign corn market - thinking of banning American corn imports.
The prospect that the United States could lose its largest foreign market for corn and other key products has shaken farming communities throughout the American Midwest, where corn production is a vital part of the economy. The threat is particularly unsettling for many residents of the Corn Belt because much of the region voted overwhelmingly for Mr. Trump in the presidential election.
If we lose Mexico as a customer, it will be absolutely devastating to the ag economy,” said Philip Gordon, 68, who grows corn, soybeans and wheat on a farm in Saline, Mich., that has been in his family for 140 years. Mr. Gordon said he planned to call Mr. Trump at the White House “and remind him we need trade.". "He’s a businessman,” Mr. Gordon said. “He understands how much support for him came from the agricultural community.”
Okay, good luck with that, Mr. Gordon.
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Joe Shlabotnik wrote:Mexico - biggest foreign corn market - thinking of banning American corn imports.
The prospect that the United States could lose its largest foreign market for corn and other key products has shaken farming communities throughout the American Midwest, where corn production is a vital part of the economy. The threat is particularly unsettling for many residents of the Corn Belt because much of the region voted overwhelmingly for Mr. Trump in the presidential election.
If we lose Mexico as a customer, it will be absolutely devastating to the ag economy,” said Philip Gordon, 68, who grows corn, soybeans and wheat on a farm in Saline, Mich., that has been in his family for 140 years. Mr. Gordon said he planned to call Mr. Trump at the White House “and remind him we need trade.". "He’s a businessman,” Mr. Gordon said. “He understands how much support for him came from the agricultural community.”
Except Trump's a businessman whose business is the con. And this guy got suckered like the rest of them because he heard something in Trump's campaign message that he liked.
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It's interesting that these people didn't know that. We knew this would happen, Trump was going to be terrible for farmers. Scrapping the TPP was terrible for farmers. Even the local Farm Bureau chapter which is run by a staunch Republican was saying Trump will be bad for farmers. Nationally though they were all Trump. They had to know though.

Oh well. Corn prices are already complete [expletive]. We planted double the acres of wheat last fall and we are going to be 60% soybeans this spring. Although those will get creamed too. I think our farm can weather a couple bad years, we have quite a bit of cash on hand but things will be dicey by the next election for us if the farm economy does collapse. Which we fully expect it to.

When it does the rural economy will be gone. The ag industry makes up around half the jobs here. It takes a lot of businesses to support a farm. Seed dealers, chemical dealers, fertilizer, equipment, tires, repairs, banks, etc. The dominoes will really start to fall if corn prices crash. During the drought a few years back a lot of farms went under and took a couple banks with them here. That's how closely everything is related to the farm economy.
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IMADreamer wrote:It's interesting that these people didn't know that.
So how did they not get that Trump's policies could crash their livelihoods? It was there, in his message. I alone can fix this, I will kill TPP, I will get us out of NAFTA, I will build a wall between us and Mexico. Hey you corn growers who rely on exports, I will alienate the outside world with an America-only platform that makes outsiders like us less and thus be less likely to consume what you produce.

If they know that their business relies on TPP and on Mexicans consuming American corn, why did the corn voters vote for the guy who said--literally said out loud repeatedly and clearly--that he would do things that are bad for them?

This applies to any non-multi-millionaire in the US: what on earth was in that man's message that could possibly appeal to them? There's the racism, the misogyny, the xenophobia, the islamophobia, the white nationalism, and...what else? What did that guy say on the trail that a 55 year old white farmer in Southern IL could reasonably hear and go "oh, yeah, this is my guy right here"?
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Do cattle and pork producers benefit from cheap corn (feed)? And maybe some of the processors that turn corn into other goods? Or is it more complicated than that?

Regardless, even "normal", non-Trump Republicans aren't really big supporters of farmers per se, they are more big supporters of Big Ag - the big corporate farms, ADM, Monsanto, Deere, etc. All of those get hurt when the ag economy suffers, but the people hurt are the workers and farmers. The wealthy people that own those companies don't get hurt much and continue throwing piles of money at Republicans, even in downturns.
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themiddle54 wrote:
IMADreamer wrote:It's interesting that these people didn't know that.
So how did they not get that Trump's policies could crash their livelihoods? It was there, in his message. I alone can fix this, I will kill TPP, I will get us out of NAFTA, I will build a wall between us and Mexico. Hey you corn growers who rely on exports, I will alienate the outside world with an America-only platform that makes outsiders like us less and thus be less likely to consume what you produce.

If they know that their business relies on TPP and on Mexicans consuming American corn, why did the corn voters vote for the guy who said--literally said out loud repeatedly and clearly--that he would do things that are bad for them?

This applies to any non-multi-millionaire in the US: what on earth was in that man's message that could possibly appeal to them? There's the racism, the misogyny, the xenophobia, the islamophobia, the white nationalism, and...what else? What did that guy say on the trail that a 55 year old white farmer in Southern IL could reasonably hear and go "oh, yeah, this is my guy right here"?
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