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Voter Suppression

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Deserves its own specific thread. Right up there with income inequality, race/gender inequality, the War On Truth, and the care of the environment as the biggest political issues of the day IMO.

Purging voter rolls in Ohio because someone has not voted in 2 years and didn't reply to mail is [expletive] scandalous. It's worse than the vaginal grabbing, the torrent of lies, and the rest of it because it exists entirely to halt the ability of the citizens to get rid of the vagina-grabbing compulsive liar, which is a vital part of our Constitution. That's not us, that's not our democracy. If you miss a midterm or local election (almost all of us with busy lives have) and then don't reply to a single piece of mail, that is no reason to strip someone of the most important right they have in this country.
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33anda3rd wrote:Deserves its own specific thread. Right up there with income inequality, race/gender inequality, the War On Truth, and the care of the environment as the biggest political issues of the day IMO.

Purging voter rolls in Ohio because someone has not voted in 2 years and didn't reply to mail is [expletive] scandalous. It's worse than the vaginal grabbing, the torrent of lies, and the rest of it because it exists entirely to halt the ability of the citizens to get rid of the vagina-grabbing compulsive liar, which is a vital part of our Constitution. That's not us, that's not our democracy. If you miss a midterm or local election (almost all of us with busy lives have) and then don't reply to a single piece of mail, that is no reason to strip someone of the most important right they have in this country.
I understand what is driving this purging, but I don't have the visceral reaction to it you do. If that's the rules, OK, that's the rules. Some democracies (see Australia) MAKE you show up to the polls even if you aren't going to vote. That's the other extreme.

If the rule is you have to vote in at least one election every two years, sounds OK to me. It means your team needs to role up its sleeves and get your voters to the polls. Allow time and effort to do that. Train your voters in how important it is. Don't let these scumbags roll you, meet their challenge and beat their asses at the ballot box.
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Yes, but voter motivation changes from election to election. If black folks in Alabama, motivated to vote against the kiddie - [expletive] racist, didn't get to vote we'd have a kiddie - [expletive] racist in the senate.

That's exactly what this is trying to accomplish. Take the people who are often disenfranchised enough not to vote, then make sure they can't when the care enough to do so.
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I can't think of any reason why it makes sense to purge anyone simply for inactivity. Not voting is a valid choice, as much as I hate it. If those are the rules, they need changed. Default should be that you're registered and eligible to vote, and they need a reason for you to be deregistered. Moved away, died, etc...
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Trump opposition has inspired a lot of voter turnout from people who rarely vote all over the country in local and state-wide elections. They want as many of those people as possible to show up thinking they're good to go only to get turned away. Simple as that. Republicans are very good at over-performing demographic and opinion polling because they are ruthless and organized. And they hate democracy.
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When it comes to the vote, we’re fighting a second Civil War
This isn’t an accident. As The New York Times reports, conservatives have openly stated for years that they do better when fewer people vote. In the South under segregation, the power structure used any number of tricks — poll taxes, and special quizzes, intimidation and just plain murder — to keep blacks from voting. Now, Republicans are clear that they must suppress the vote if they are to keep power. As professor Donald Jones stated at a Florida hearing of the National Commission for Voter Justice, “When it comes to the vote, we are in the Second Civil War.”
The NCVJ found that systematic efforts are underway to make voting more difficult in state after state. Voter purging and voter caging is being conducted on a much larger scale since 2016 than is popularly recognized.

In Georgia in 2017, 320,000 voters who had been purged from the voter rolls had to file a lawsuit to regain the right to vote. In Florida, black voters are being purged after being labeled “inactive,” by not responding to a mail request for confirmation of address. The Interstate Crosscheck System, invented by Republican attorneys, is used by 27 states and is estimated to lead to the wrongful purging of hundreds of thousands of voters.
tates also work to make voting harder. They limit the days of early voting, reduce the number of polling places, leading to long lines and frustrated voters, and relocate polling places to distant communities. Georgia is notorious for moving polling sites from black communities to inaccessible locations with poor advance notice. Ex-felons who have served their sentence are still disenfranchised in Florida and other states; student face more and more barriers designed to keep them from voting.

Republican state legislators have pushed to pass voter ID laws across the country; 34 states now enforce these laws. Eleven percent of U.S. citizens — 21 million people — lack a governmental issued photo ID, the ACLU reports. One in four African-Americans lacks this form of ID. The Government Accountability Office found that strict photo ID laws reduce turnout by 2 to 3 percent.
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To recap: Florida voters passed a referendum restoring the right to vote to felons who had done their time. That scared the heck out of R's in Florida's state legislature, so they curbed the referendum through "Amendment 4" to require felons "pay off their obligations" before their voting rights are in fact restored. This is effectively a poll tax.

Except it's 2019, when you have Kickstarter and GoFundMe and the like. I'm not sure what to make of this site in particular. But it seems like if you're a liberal billionaire, there's an obvious way to buy thousands of votes in a swing state.
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This film is coming out later this year. It is all about voter suppression in Georgia, when Republicans blatantly stole that last election.

https://www.bravenewfilms.org/suppressed

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The new Real ID requirements - you have to get one in Missouri by 10/1/2020 to do a lot of things, such as flying. Effectively this is your new driver's license as of that date. THere still will be other forms of valid ID, but heading towards this being the one you will need.

I went to renew my DL yesterday and became aware of this. I didn't have enough forms of ID with addresses on it to get the Real ID. (I had my SS card, birth certificiate, my current DL, a property tax receipt, insurance card, but No utility bill with my name and address.

It dawned on me that this is purposely out there to cause confusion in 2020 election. more Voter suppression. Long waits at the DMV. You can still vote without Real ID, in MO, I think, but the information is not good.

For most people this will be non-issue. Yet. think about who this getting identification could effect- people that move a lot, people that have non-flexible jobs, people that don't have $ for the ID (thought they likely won't be flying, still their is going to be confusion), the elderly that can't sit in a crammed line for an hour (or more), young and all people that haven't learned how to navigate these things.
With ID shenanigans already prevalent in states trying to restrict voter turnout, what happens when you add yet another layer of complexity to the ID process?

That’s an important question, because many states require voters to get authorized voter IDs from the same places they get driver’s licenses. Just months out from the critical mid-term elections, the REAL ID has added yet another layer of difficulty and confusion to an ID process that was already disenfranchising for millions of eligible citizens.

https://www.voteriders.org/real-id-give ... -voter-id/

Anyways, I feel like I'm adding to the confusion by bringing this up. You definitely can vote with alternative ID forms - here is MO's https://www.sos.mo.gov/showit2vote but you will end up in the slow line- possibly provisional like my wife who's address on her DL was different than her voter registration (And who knows if provisional are even counted).
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yeah i got my Kansas Real ID back in july and ultimately it wasn't a huge deal other than being at DMV for 90 mins but i could see it being a lot of work for some people. i'm hopeful that since i got my KS real ID that will allow me to get a colorado real ID without having to provide all the documentation again.
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