Joe Biden - Pros & Cons

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Booker also didn’t call him a racist though.
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Ok, he's saying Booker should apologize for insinuating that he is ok with racism because he worked in the Senate with racists on some stuff. Either way, he's not saying "Booker should apologize for saying that segregation is bad" which is the headline of the link posted, which I submit to you is an asinine headline, and not at all representative of what Biden said.

I don't mean to defend Biden, I'm not a Biden guy. I just mean to say that there should be higher integrity on the part of online journalism.
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Say what you will but Biden would grab more Trump voters than any other candidate. As someone suggested, the best thing for the country would be to see Biden primary Trump in the GOP.
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Can’t help but think 4 years of Biden means continued or further disillusionment with Democrats. On all sides.
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ghostrunner wrote:Can’t help but think 4 years of Biden means continued or further disillusionment with Democrats. On all sides.
Right, but be honest. November 2020, that 2nd Tuesday, you're sitting glued to the TV with your laptop out and CNN announces that Biden has defeated Trump. Do you no breathe a huge sigh of relief?
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33anda3rd wrote:
ghostrunner wrote:Can’t help but think 4 years of Biden means continued or further disillusionment with Democrats. On all sides.
Right, but be honest. November 2020, that 2nd Tuesday, you're sitting glued to the TV with your laptop out and CNN announces that Biden has defeated Trump. Do you no breathe a huge sigh of relief?
Yes. Sorta. But it solves nothing. Further splitting of Left is inevitable.
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lukethedrifter wrote:
33anda3rd wrote:
ghostrunner wrote:Can’t help but think 4 years of Biden means continued or further disillusionment with Democrats. On all sides.
Right, but be honest. November 2020, that 2nd Tuesday, you're sitting glued to the TV with your laptop out and CNN announces that Biden has defeated Trump. Do you no breathe a huge sigh of relief?
Yes. Sorta. But it solves nothing. Further splitting of Left is inevitable.
But the primary and general for POTUS is just one thing. The states have power with House, Senate, Governor and state assembly elections. It's up to candidates like AOC and Tlaib to keep running and Dems in their states to keep voting for them. It's up to states like Illinois and NY to continue putting progressives in full power so they can pass the kind of necessary sweeping reforms we're seeing. It's up to ATL voters to all show up to tip the balance of all the motivated alt-right evangelical voters in that state. The Democrat Party can become something state by state. In IL when all of Pritzker and the assembly's measures turn IL's deficits into surpluses it's going to be hard for the red state Republicans in places like Kansas to go "well, let's keep trying Brownback economics." When all the educated progressive people leave Indiana and Missouri for Illinois those states are going to have to decide if they want to maintain a Jesus-fueled hate for everything progressive or if they want to join the future and have economy. POTUS is a popularity contest on a nationwide basis but the Democratic Party is another thing that can be altered from the ground up in numbers. This primary, which will be over before most states vote, need not be a litmus test on the party as a whole.
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That’s all true no matter who wins POTUS. And a depressed Democratic turnout due to a bad POTUS candidate runs all the way down.

There’s a time I’d have been happy enough with Biden but there’s a chance to do much better.
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We lockin this thread now or just wait until he drops out officially?
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thrill wrote:We lockin this thread now or just wait until he drops out officially?
LOL not a good showing. Warren, Castro, Harris were the most impressive the last two nights. Harris was the only truly impressive candidate tonight. The really screwed up thing w/r/t Biden is that he was one of two people who had a lot to lose tonight and he totally lost it. I look forward to "my time is up" becoming a funny internet meme.

As for the other one with a lot to lose tonight, are we also locking the Sanders thread? He just screamed a debate closing about HOW COME YOU CAN'T GET A GOOD BOWL OF SOUP AROUND HERE NOTHING CHANGES and blamed everyone else on the dais for everything wrong with America without an iota of irony for the fact that he's been in Washington since the HW Bush era. Warren crushes him on policy. He's a broken record.
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