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IMADreamer wrote: Well my former friend and his new fiancee showed up. It was all about him and her, then he acts like he's been the best friend I've ever had and he was so there for me. Yeah it was real nice of him to come to the visitation for five minutes. What a swell guy.

I feel like I've been kicked while I was down.
I don't want to tell you how to feel or how to act.

But, I will share a story that hopefully sheds a little light on how some people deal with death:

A couple years ago, a really close friend of mine passed away. It was completely unexpected and took everyone by surprise. I have a very tight knit group of friends all of whom I love and respect. When this friend died, it hit everyone hard, especially his family (as you would expect).

I heard about it on a Friday morning and didn't know how to react. My best friend called me to let me know his brother had died the night before. The conversation started off happy, and in a heartbeat he flipped the switch and tried to spit out "There was a car wreck last night and so and so died at the scene" while laughing. It came out as "There was a car wreck" followed by a mixture of inaudible words and sobbing. I immediately wanted to puke. I didn't understand what he said other than judging by his reaction I knew someone had died. He collected himself and finished the sentence. "There was a car wreck and so and so died at the scene" He finished it by saying he had to go and there would be a funeral at some point. Even years later, I still can't think about it and type it out without crying. It was so painful and to experience not only the pain I felt but also my friends complete devastation is simply too much to deal with. It's easily the worst moment of my life.

Obviously, I was in shock. How do you react when something tragic like this happens? Who all knew? What were the plans? How did this happen? How was I supposed to feel? How could I be there for my friends? How could they be there for me? How were we going to deal with this? And, in short, just a feeling of it couldn't be true.

I went to work, comletely numb and sent out a few emails to those I knew were already at work. No one knew. I called one of our close friends and let him know what happened. But, like my buddy, I couldn't get the words out. I completely lost it while on the phone. A 5 second statement took over a minute to get out in between sobs. But, I did. I could tell the guy I was talking to didn't know what to say to make it better. He was a friend of mine and a friend of the guy who called me in the morning to let me know his brother had died. But, he wasn't in particularly good friends with the guy who died.

Anyway, this guy went AWOL. He didn't come to the visitation, he didn't come to the funeral. He texted a few people and said he was sorry and he wasn't going to make it. And, then he just didn't do anything. For like a month or so.

Finally, after some time, we all got together and my friend whose brother died asked the AWOL friend where he was, what he had been doing and basically why he wasn't around. The guy's answer was an honest and understandable response. He basically said: He didn't know what to do. He didn't think he could make anything better. Obviously, everyone is upset at a death, and he can't bring people back to life. He was uncomfortable around other people being so upset and felt inadequate talking about everything because he didn't ahve any answers. He didn't think his absence was painful to anyone because he said if the roles were reversed, and his brother had died, he would have gone into a room and shut himself off from the world and wouldn't want to deal with anyone, so he felt it best to not try to make others uncomfortable by being there.

In short, he apologized if his actions were offensive or hurtful, but he didn't know what else to do and he didn't know how to be supportive, so he reverted to not being around. It wasn't becasue he was an ass hole or because he didn't care or because he was too chicken [expletive] to deal with it. He dealt with it in his own way, by being away from everything.

I guess it makes sense. Everyone deals with everything differently and distance can hurt, especially if its a perceived slight.

Hopefully everything works itself out with your friend, Ima. And hopefully you can understand maybe he is just uncomfortable with death and grief and because he's not good at it, he feels uncomfortable trying to be your support system and chooses to ignore it. And maybe because of that, he's distant and unwilling to talk about what happened and only about himself and be what you perceive as not a good friend/support system.

I don't know anything about anything when it comes to death and tragedy. I just know its horrible and people react differently....

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AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote:Dang. Reading that was a real kick in the gut. Your posts made it sound like she was doing better and was going to beat it.
Yeah. The way you talked about her, I had hoped she was out of the woods. I'm so sorry to hear this news. Please take care of yourself.

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Arthur Dent wrote:
AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote:Dang. Reading that was a real kick in the gut. Your posts made it sound like she was doing better and was going to beat it.
Yeah. The way you talked about her, I had hoped she was out of the woods. I'm so sorry to hear this news. Please take care of yourself.
Kind of thought maybe she was myself, but it just really screws with your body and she had a pretty major set back right before thanksgiving and a few days later she was gone. A doctor friend of ours told me a couple days ago that the way it happened was pretty common with the type of cancer she had because it's just an awful thing that screws up a lot of your bodies system.

AW I get what you are saying and I understand how you felt. I was going to type more earlier and just broke up and couldn't.

I'm trying to focus on the good, like the amazing friends I have. It's been over a week and I thought everyone probably was getting back to normal and forgetting about it but me. However today a friend whom I'm not close with, but we serve on a local political committee together and go to the same church. He showed up tonight much to my surprise and the conversation was great. He's' a big ole farm boy so you gotta picture that and I answered the door and he says "you sick of all those damn casseroles the church ladies bring by every day?" and I laughed and he says "I know when Mom died I got sick of it fast, so I cooked a [expletive] hog yesterday and cut it up and brought you a couple pounds. "

Couple pounds my ass, he brought like 30 lbs. It's awesome, and he's the master at that stuff too. It just melts in your mouth.

Good feeling number two. So I've got 30lbs of hog which is way too much so I thought I'd take some to my would be inlaws. So I knock on the door and her Dad answers and the first thing he says is "since when the hell do you knock at this house?" and I kind of mumbled something and he said something like "like hell, you never knock here."

Made me feel good.

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Man, that story about her family is really terrific, dude, I got goosebumps imagining it. I trust they enjoyed the pork.

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Sorry to hear about your loss. Sounds like you've got some great people around you, though. Thoughts and prayers for you all.

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So sorry to hear that . Hang in there

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Feel for the OP. The docs just yesterday recommended that my Father be moved to hospice rather than undergo another round of chemo, but he and my family are determined to undergo one more to go down fighting. Barring a miracle (and who knows, we've had some already), it's basically just a matter of time.

Maybe it's a sign that I'm getting older, but it seems that a lot of good friends I know lately are dealing with death or mourning in some way or another.

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Tell your Dad to keep fighting. Miracles can happen. Don't lose hope.

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As a few have said I'm stunned as well, from your previous posts I was under the impression she was doing better. So sorry to hear about your loss Dreamer.

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Thanks, like I said she went form doing great to passing away in just a few days. It was mainly from complications. It was a shock, but I'm so thankful we got some really good months in between her initial treatment and the end. I'm also really thankful we pre planned everything. Looking back I couldn't have done it. No way I could have made the arrangements and such.

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