cardsfansince82 wrote:The IRS wouldn't bother to file a lien on a small debt. I think $10,000 is the minimum you would have to owe before that happens. You should probably call them and figure out what they are talking about.
My accountant is working on it. I guess identity theft might be an issue. Wouldnt i notice that somewhere else also? This doesn't sound like its going to be fun. The only notice I got said unpaid taxes. May not have been in that simple of terms but that's how I interpreted it. Now
I'm back to being very frustrated I was holding maybe it was the issue I said with my cousin.
Freed Roger wrote:
Lot's of identity theft going on that has IRS all messed.
How does this work? From the postings here, people are saying ID theft has caused the IRS to miss payments/filings people have made. But wouldn't this result in them getting more than one if someone had stolen an ID? How does ID theft of my SSN cause the IRS to miss when I file my 1040?
I guess the check could have been cashed by someone other then the IRS?
Freed Roger wrote:
I don't think that would be it, unless you were filing payroll taxes, and then stopped. Regardless, you should have seen a heap of notices before freezing your account, and those notices should give the cause.
Only if the amount of debt has actually been charged to his account. In that case, yeah, he would have gotten a million letters and phone calls and had every chance to set up a payment plan or whatever. But based on what diddy has said I'm not sure he's been assessed anything specific yet.
Jocephus wrote:the last 2 years i was there ('12 and '13) there was definitely an increase in ID theft and it would really hurt kids who were trying to turn stuff in time but when they would go to the IRS to pick up those documents the IRS would say "we have no record of that" or whatever.
Why would ID theft result in the IRS losing tax returns?
well i dont know the specifics but they aren't lost per se, but the SSN is attached to someone else's name.
one thing too, i suppose i should preface re: verification...the dept of ed, within the last 5 yrs or so, made students who were selected for verification either submit their data electronically or pick up a tax return transcript from the IRS (they stopped accepting people's standard looking 1040 forms because people could fill them out but never actually submit them to the IRS so people would get pell grants without actually filing a return, etc). so we'd tell people to either do it electronically or how to get a tax return transcript from the IRS and if the SSN/name didn't match up, they kinda got screwed (at least initially). i suppose it only happened maybe...10ish total times when i was there but if you think...30% of FAFSA applicants are selected for verification at all schools so its probably a fair amount compared to our student population (who are receiving fed aid). and i do recall the dept of ed sending out notices that they are aware of ID theft happening to students (in the sense that it was becoming more and more common) and they gave us some workarounds.
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cant believe i remembered where to find...and although this doesn't talk about how to resolve ID theft or anything it pretty much was acknowledgement that its becoming an issue and fin aid administrators could go other routes to help someone complete their verification
edit2: suppose i shouldn't imply ID theft is diddys issue. but i can say it came up when i worked in fin aid and my understanding it was a rising national "problem" not just amongst fin aid recipients
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Jocephus wrote:the last 2 years i was there ('12 and '13) there was definitely an increase in ID theft and it would really hurt kids who were trying to turn stuff in time but when they would go to the IRS to pick up those documents the IRS would say "we have no record of that" or whatever.
Why would ID theft result in the IRS losing tax returns?
If someone filed a fraudulent tax return in 2008 using some form of Diddy's ID and claimed a refund, and then didn't file it in 2009. Again, it would be odd that it took from 2009 to catch up -especially if ss# are involved.
with tax return related ID theft, what normally happens is the real person files their tax return and it gets rejected because someone someone else filed fraudulently already using that same ID.
Freed Roger wrote:If someone filed a fraudulent tax return in 2008 using some form of Diddy's ID and claimed a refund, and then didn't file it in 2009. Again, it would be odd that it took from 2009 to catch up -especially if ss# are involved.
with tax return related ID theft, what normally happens is the real person files their tax return and it gets rejected because someone someone else filed fraudulently already using that same ID.
Just read a little bit about this. Apparently, popular identities for requesting fraudulent refunds are dead people (apparently a list of dead people's SSNs is publicly available) and students (hence Jocephus' comment on FAFSA verification problems), basically people who are likely to not file a return, so there is no duplicate. But a large category is apparently paid tax preparers stealing refund money from their clients. That sounds like a real nightmare. If you think you've been paying all your taxes, but it turns out you haven't because your accountant is a cheat, are you still liable?
cardsfansince82 wrote:The IRS wouldn't bother to file a lien on a small debt. I think $10,000 is the minimum you would have to owe before that happens. You should probably call them and figure out what they are talking about.
My accountant is working on it. I guess identity theft might be an issue. Wouldnt i notice that somewhere else also? This doesn't sound like its going to be fun. The only notice I got said unpaid taxes. May not have been in that simple of terms but that's how I interpreted it. Now
I'm back to being very frustrated I was holding maybe it was the issue I said with my cousin.
It could be any number of things, but probably not ID theft. If they don't have a return on file for you at all then your tax preparer forgot to actually send it in (or submit it electronically), it was lost in the mail, it got processed under another SSN because it was written on the form wrong, the IRS lost it, etc. If you weren't due a refund then you might not have known until now. If they do have a return on file and it matches what you sent then you could have forgotten to report a source of income, or they are showing some sort of income for you that wasn't yours. A lot of people have illegals using their SSN to work under without even knowing it. If they have a return and it doesn't match what you sent then someone might have stolen your identity.
I would call and make sure they have a return for you for that year and it matches whatever your records show was submitted. Then, if it matches figure out what discrepancy they are talking about and go from there.
I think this is going to work out ok. Had to refile they are still denying that I filed, don't know how cause I efiled. They are acknowledging the payment that I made but I am going to have to make a small payment. I'm not sure if its interest on my payment or a penalty for not fileing, I'm headed to the account this afternoon and hell tell me for sure. He told me the amount on the phone and I'm willing to pay it just to get past this even though I don't feel like I should.
I'm glad it's not turning out too bad, but something still seems fishy. You should have gotten a lot more notice or some better explanation. I don't know if I'd keep trusting that accountant.
Arthur Dent wrote:I'm glad it's not turning out too bad, but something still seems fishy. You should have gotten a lot more notice or some better explanation. I don't know if I'd keep trusting that accountant.
It does seem strange. I've moved since then and never did a change of address because I live in a small town and it just got forwarded to me anyway. We changed postmasters awhile back so she might have the same policy on forwarding it and the one I did get just got by accident. One thing that really seems strange is the amount they claimed I owed was like 15k higher then I've ever paid in. Maybe the accountant messed something up and doesn't want to admit to it. The thought that he forgot to actually process the efile has crossed my mind. That seems to make the most sense just putting two and two together.
