UGGGHHHHH

[Jocephus]

do you accept that there are 139 games left?

[Socnorb11]

I've had more fun watching paint dry.

yOU COULD probably get a lot of paint for the amount of money you're spending on cable/subscriptions. So....you know....you could go buy a can of paint.

That's true but then I wouldn't be able to watch my Denver Broncos play which I actually enjoy.

Um............ I had nothing to do with this, guys. I swear.

[IMADreamer]

I'm hoping we can move Mark Whiten and Greg Jeffries before the deadline for some scrappy white guys. You think Skip would come back?

[Cardfan]

do you accept that there are 139 games left?

These guys aren't just having an early year slump. Holiday's and Craig's power has been on a downslide for a while now. Other than a couple speedy players the majority of the line up is bag to bag. Last year the cardinals overcame the lack of power and speed because they hit 330+ With RISP. That average was an anomaly not the norm.

The probability of things changing is very low.

[Jocephus]

that would be a no then.

id love to point out the irony of your username being "cardfan" and your first topic and posts are about how terrible the team is and how its a chore to watch.

but welcome to the forum.

[33anda3rd]

Who would of guessed peralta would be trash

me

The defense was supposed to improve this year

says who?

but apparently jon jay took CF field back because bourjos isnt hitting

that was a tough one to see coming

plus not trading matt Adams

the [expletive] would they trade their best hitter?

leaves Craig in RF which is an obvious downgrade from Beltran.

I'm glad you used the word 'obvious' it saves me some snark on this one.

Pretty much everything the FO did this offseason blew up in their face

except not trading MMGA

This team has no star.

Now you're just getting carried away. Waino is a CYA caliber dude. Yadi is a legend, respected wherever baseball is played. Holliday is one of the best 12 hitters of the current millennium.

So I say either trade the young guys for some star potential or trade Holliday or Craig(if anybody would take him) or Adams(move Craig back to first in hopes he will get out of his slump)and let the young OF's in AAA replace the vacant spots.

So basically just trade somebody, right? You don't have a real plan or preference. You're not leaning toward trading the vets for more youth or the youth for more vets, as long as holy crap please Mo trade somebody anybody so I can sit here in my dorm room and feel good about you taking action for something I don't really enjoy right now. Is that about the size of it?

So I say either trade the young guys for some star potential..

Yes. Let's trade Adams, Taveras, Miller, Wong for guys with potential.

[Cardfan]

that would be a no then.

id love to point out the irony of your username being "cardfan" and your first topic and posts are about how terrible the team is and how its a chore to watch.

but welcome to the forum.

I've been questioning how strong my fan hood is with the cardinals because of it. I seem to have a shorter leash when it comes to the sport of baseball. I thought I was a die hard fan but that seems to not be true.

Either way thanks for the welcome.

[33anda3rd]

These guys aren't just having an early year slump. Holiday's and Craig's power has been on a downslide for a while now.

Please illuminate for me how Holliday has been on the decline for a while now. Please demonstrate how he has outpaced--or at least kept pace--with the average aging curve as an OVERALL player because his power is declining. Please explain to me all about Matt Holliday and his failures that are dragging this team down.

Other than a couple speedy players the majority of the line up is bag to bag.

Name one speedy guy on the team who is an above-average player right now? See how that works? Bourjos, Wong, Descalso, Robinson, the speedier guys on this team are playing the worst right now. Molina and Adams and Marp, who are all un-speedy, are providing the offense, and all three of them are bag-to-bag players. It doesn't matter, bag-to-bag. It's a BS construct. The Red Sox play bag-to-bag. They score a ton of runs. The Cards last year were bag-to-bag. They scored a ton of runs.

Last year the cardinals overcame the lack of power and speed because they hit 330+ With RISP. That average was an anomaly not the norm.

And because overall they had a .322 wOBA as a team which puts them behind only the Coors-aided Rockies in the NL and generally speaking they just kind of hit the snot out of the ball regardless of who was on what base at the time. Which is not a thing that's luck-based or bound to disappear overnight on the macro whole-team level, so go back in there, chill yourself out, and wait for the hits, which should be comin' di-rectly.

[IMADreamer]

Do we have a thread hall of fame? If not we should and this one is a first balloter.

[stlouie_lipp]

that would be a no then.

id love to point out the irony of your username being "cardfan" and your first topic and posts are about how terrible the team is and how its a chore to watch.

but welcome to the forum.

I've been questioning how strong my fan hood is with the cardinals because of it. I seem to have a shorter leash when it comes to the sport of baseball. I thought I was a die hard fan but that seems to not be true.

Either way thanks for the welcome.

So you are "Frontrunner", not "Cardfan", right? Maybe you should change your username?

Listen, I don't want to jump on someone who is a new board member, but to join and have this as your first post just smacks of Cards Talk BS. Less than 25 games into the season with, what, 17 of them on the road in cold weather and still being over .500, 4.5 games behind a team that won't stay there, and you are giving up on the season and demanding trades? C'mon man!