GDT 8/29/14-Cubs (Hendricks) @ Cardinals (Miller) 7:15 CDT

[pioneer98]

AFAIK, Baez was a Hendry pick, Soler was an international signing (silly for Cards not to get involved) and Alcantara was also international signing.

You are correct, instead of drafting good players I should have said scouting them or something.

[pioneer98]

Welcome to the board. I can't judge the next 5 years based on what happened in 3 innings tonight. I do not think Moz & Co. is going to sit back and let the Cubs beat them 7-2 every game. I think most people expected some amount of regression from #1 in the NL in runs for the Cards, but I don't think anyone, not even their most pessimistic critics, expected their offense to be this lousy this year. Moz has some work to do.

There was bound to be some significant regression after the ridiculous avg. w/RISP they had last year.

Yeah, but they went from 1st in MLB to like 13th in the NL in BA with RISP. I never would have guessed they would be 13th in the NL in that. Maybe middle of the pack. They not only regressed but declined on top of regressing. And I also thought some of the impact of that would have been offset by Kozma ----> Peralta. They just can't hit this year.

[Vidor]

It's ok to admit the cubs are gonna be awesome soon.

Or, you know, we could wait for the games to be played.

Yeah I have no idea why people are so ready to concede that the Cubs will be good because they have good prospects. We've seen teams loaded with more prospects than the Cubs currently have and never do anything. It seems like people are doing it as a defense mechanism to prepare themselves just in case it happens.

No one is conceding that the cubs have done anything other than assemble a scary good collection of prospects to go along with Rizzo/Castro. If the scouting reports/projections are right, the cubs will have the best lineup in the NL, probably MLB, in a few years. All you can really do is hope the projections are wrong. It's not a defense mechanism as much as it is an acknowledgement that of what they are doing/reality.

I defy you to find a team loaded with more hitting prospects than the cubs currently have that never did anything.

[Magneto2.0]

It's ok to admit the cubs are gonna be awesome soon.

Or, you know, we could wait for the games to be played.

Yeah I have no idea why people are so ready to concede that the Cubs will be good because they have good prospects. We've seen teams loaded with more prospects than the Cubs currently have and never do anything. It seems like people are doing it as a defense mechanism to prepare themselves just in case it happens.

No one is conceding that the cubs have done anything other than assemble a scary good collection of prospects to go along with Rizzo/Castro. If the scouting reports/projections are right, the cubs will have the best lineup in the NL, probably MLB, in a few years. All you can really do is hope the projections are wrong. It's not a defense mechanism as much as it is an acknowledgement that of what they are doing/reality.

I defy you to find a team loaded with more hitting prospects than the cubs currently have that never did anything.

You moved the goalpost. I said prospects, you're changing it to specific to only hitting prospects.

They have a nice collection of good power hitters indeed. But they're prospects like any other prospects, and I actually do think they'll pan out. With that said, that doesn't guarantee anything. We've seen teams loaded with established talent and up coming talent and never even made it to the playoffs. Like I said, people I feel on here are saying they'll be good to prepare themselves for the worst. Me, I'll just wait for the games to happen.

[Magneto2.0]

It's ok to admit the cubs are gonna be awesome soon.

Or, you know, we could wait for the games to be played.

Yeah I have no idea why people are so ready to concede that the Cubs will be good because they have good prospects. We've seen teams loaded with more prospects than the Cubs currently have and never do anything. It seems like people are doing it as a defense mechanism to prepare themselves just in case it happens.

No one is conceding that the cubs have done anything other than assemble a scary good collection of prospects to go along with Rizzo/Castro. If the scouting reports/projections are right, the cubs will have the best lineup in the NL, probably MLB, in a few years. All you can really do is hope the projections are wrong. It's not a defense mechanism as much as it is an acknowledgement that of what they are doing/reality.

I defy you to find a team loaded with more hitting prospects than the cubs currently have that never did anything.

I hope the Cardinals one day can be as dominate as the mighty Cubs ar... I mean, will be in 2016 or 2017 or whatever year it is that they're supposedly gonna run roughshod over the NL Central.

[AWvsCBsteeeerike3]

No one is saying the end is near. You're the worst poster at terribly extrapolating what people say in a trollish way.

Anywho, feel free to ignore what the Cubs have if you wish. I haven't seen anyone say the Cardinals won't be good or compete with or be better than the cubs. People just note that, holy [expletive], they have quite a few young presumably incredibly talented hitters. If they pan out, that'll be one hell of a lineup.

[Pudgelewis]

It's ok to admit the cubs are gonna be awesome soon.

Or, you know, we could wait for the games to be played.

Yeah I have no idea why people are so ready to concede that the Cubs will be good because they have good prospects. We've seen teams loaded with more prospects than the Cubs currently have and never do anything. It seems like people are doing it as a defense mechanism to prepare themselves just in case it happens.

No one is conceding that the cubs have done anything other than assemble a scary good collection of prospects to go along with Rizzo/Castro. If the scouting reports/projections are right, the cubs will have the best lineup in the NL, probably MLB, in a few years. All you can really do is hope the projections are wrong. It's not a defense mechanism as much as it is an acknowledgement that of what they are doing/reality.

I defy you to find a team loaded with more hitting prospects than the cubs currently have that never did anything.

You moved the goalpost. I said prospects, you're changing it to specific to only hitting prospects.

They have a nice collection of good power hitters indeed. But they're prospects like any other prospects, and I actually do think they'll pan out. With that said, that doesn't guarantee anything. We've seen teams loaded with established talent and up coming talent and never even made it to the playoffs. Like I said, people I feel on here are saying they'll be good to prepare themselves for the worst. Me, I'll just wait for the games to happen.

2014 Cards are doing their best to be added to that list.

[AWvsCBsteeeerike3]

Me, I'll just wait for the games to happen.

Which is your prerogative. It's just weird to say that while on a baseball message board where we constantly speculate, opine, celebrate and kvetch about a baseball team that we really don't have much info on. People have been speculating on OT, Miller, Adams, Craig, Rasmus, Wacha, etc for years before they ever got to the big leagues. Surely you're not blind to this. Doing it for the cubs is same ole same ole, not buying into some fantasy dream land as a defense mechanism.

[Magneto2.0]

Me, I'll just wait for the games to happen.

Which is your prerogative. It's just weird to say that while on a baseball message board where we constantly speculate, opine, celebrate and kvetch about a baseball team that we really don't have much info on. People have been speculating on OT, Miller, Adams, Craig, Rasmus, Wacha, etc for years before they ever got to the big leagues. Surely you're not blind to this. Doing it for the cubs is same ole same ole, not buying into some fantasy dream land as a defense mechanism.

Fair enough, but the difference is the Cardinals are not strictly relying on prospects for us to be good. We speculate that they can turn out to be great, and project where they can boost the roster. But we, at least not me, aren't of the belief that organization's future is completely depend on them. The Cardinals team has quite a few established stars Molina, Carpenter, Wainwright, Lynn, Peralta, Holliday. The Cubs future seems to be relying strictly on prospects reaching their peak and besides Rizzo and I guess Castro, they have no established stars yet.

[AWvsCBsteeeerike3]

No stars but they do sit on a powder keg of cash.