Our financial system is crumbling this week.

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I know we are all probably fatigued from articles like this, but:

The $9 billion witness

A whistleblower is finally talking publicly about how Chase knowingly sold crappy mortgages through various financial instruments for millions of dollars to unsuspecting investors like credit unions. She had been talking privately with the SEC and other regulators on and off all these years.
It goes without saying that the ordinary citizen who is the target of a government investigation cannot simply pick up the phone, call up the prosecutor in charge of his case and have a legal proceeding canceled. But Dimon did just that. "And he didn't just call the prosecutor, he called the prosecutor's boss," Fleischmann says. According to The New York Times, after Dimon had already offered $3 billion to settle the case and was turned down, he went to Holder's office and upped the offer, but apparently not by enough.
But the deal's most brazen innovation was the way it bypassed the judicial branch. Previously, federal regulators had had bad luck with judges when trying to dole out slap-on-the-wrist settlements to banks. In a pair of celebrated cases, an unpleasantly honest federal judge named Jed Rakoff had rejected sweetheart deals worked out between banks and slavish regulators and had commanded the state to go back to the drawing board and come up with real punishments.

Seemingly not wanting to deal with even the possibility of such a thing happening, Holder blew off the idea of showing the settlement to a judge. The settlement, says Kelleher, "was unprecedented in many ways, including being very carefully crafted to bypass the court system. . . . There can be little doubt that the DOJ and JP-Morgan were trying to avoid disclosure of their dirty deeds and prevent public scrutiny of their sweetheart deal." Kelleher asks a rhetorical question: "Can you imagine the outcry if [Bush-era Attorney General] Alberto Gonzales had gone into the backroom and given Halliburton immunity in exchange for a billion dollars?"
Because most of the settlement monies were specifically not called fines or penalties, Chase was allowed to treat some $7 billion of the settlement as a tax write-off.
But December came and went with no follow-up from the DOJ. She began to wonder: If she was the government's key witness, how was it possible that they were still pursuing a criminal case without talking to her? "My concern," she says, "was that they were not investigating."

The government's failure to speak to Fleischmann lends credence to a theory about the Holder-Dimon settlement: It included a tacit agreement from the DOJ not to pursue criminal charges in earnest.
The Federal Home Loan Bank of Pittsburgh, which had sued Chase, asked the court to force Chase to turn over a copy of the draft civil complaint that was withheld after Holder's scuttled press conference. The Pittsburgh litigants also specified that they wanted access to the name of the state's cooperating witness: namely, Fleischmann.

In that case, the judge actually ordered Chase to turn over both the complaint and Fleischmann's name. Chase stalled. Later in the fall, the judge ordered the bank to produce the information again; it stalled some more.

Then, in January 2014, Chase suddenly settled with the Pittsburgh bank out of court for an undisclosed amount. Months after being ordered to allow Fleischmann to talk, they once again paid a stiff price to keep her testimony out of the public eye.

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Everyone should be forced to read that article. Just the same as they should be forced to read about Civil Asset Forfeiture.

Christ, our country is [expletive] up.

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432 Park is the 3rd tallest building in the USA. It has 400,000 square feet, but only 104 residential units. They sell to the ultra-rich for between $7 million and $75 million. The penthouse sold for $95 million. And there are a series of these kind of buildings going up in NYC. They estimate 432 Park will only be 25% occupied at any given time, because everyone who lives there has so many other houses to live in. They project when all the units are sold that the sales will add up to $3 billion. And a lot of them are being sold to Russian, Chinese, etc rich people.

http://fortune.com/2014/11/24/432-park- ... ty-wealth/

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http://seekingalpha.com/article/2712225 ... he-economy

CBO: QE Failed As It Has Shown Nothing For The Economy

Lots of analysis on the academic models used. I had a hard time understanding, and still don't quite understand it all, but I think the gist is that the economic projections are falling well short and the economy isn't as strong as forecasted. Anyone that wants to add their interpretations would be welcome.

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AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote:http://seekingalpha.com/article/2712225 ... he-economy

CBO: QE Failed As It Has Shown Nothing For The Economy

Lots of analysis on the academic models used. I had a hard time understanding, and still don't quite understand it all, but I think the gist is that the economic projections are falling well short and the economy isn't as strong as forecasted. Anyone that wants to add their interpretations would be welcome.
Here's my interpretation. Capitalism was short circuited and the ones that failed and survived now know they can fail with impunity.

In true Capitalism, the Smartest Guys In the Room that led us to the brink would have been financially ruined as their businesses went bankrupt and those who weren't so Smart but were prudent enough to keep their business viable then fought over the wreckage.

It would have been more painful at the time but the recovery would have been faster and would have been more secure as the capital assets now would be in hands of those who were rewarded for their prudence.

However, the crisis of 2008 has shown us that ours is not a true capitalist system but more of an oligarchy.

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Another way of saying this, as I've already said, is that the main thing that QE does is help the financial sector. The financial sector is almost totally divorced from Main Street businesses today. QE stimulated the financial sector but did very little for Main St. Once or twice a decade we think about raising the minimum wage, but we review quarterly, monthly, whether or not we need to stimulate the financial sector more.

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Of 100 students that enter college, this is what happens to them after 6 years:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sp ... s-college/
21 drop out
30 get a batchelor's degree
14 get an associates degree
35 of them are still enrolled

That's insane. I recall a lot of people taking 5 years to graduate...but 1/3 of college students are taking over 6 years to graduate? I wonder if this is worse because there job market it bad. But just kind of ridiculous.

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lukethedrifter wrote:Everyone should be forced to read that article. Just the same as they should be forced to read about Civil Asset Forfeiture.

Christ, our country is [expletive] up.
I threw up in my mouth reading the post you're commenting on. And, totally agree about CAF. That's the type of [expletive] you'd expect to hear about in China, Russia or Mexico. Not the good ol' USofA.

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pioneer98 wrote:Of 100 students that enter college, this is what happens to them after 6 years:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sp ... s-college/
21 drop out
30 get a batchelor's degree
14 get an associates degree
35 of them are still enrolled

That's insane. I recall a lot of people taking 5 years to graduate...but 1/3 of college students are taking over 6 years to graduate? I wonder if this is worse because there job market it bad. But just kind of ridiculous.
With three sons in this demographic it appears to me to be the job market. Lots of their friends and them looking around and not seeing the opportunities so they get another major, look at grad schools, take a few more courses, etc. I worry about this generation because of this.

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lukethedrifter wrote:Everyone should be forced to read that article. Just the same as they should be forced to read about Civil Asset Forfeiture.

Christ, our country is [expletive] up.
"People don't commit crimes. Corporate culture commits crimes."

I'm glad I read that. My stress level is not.
What a mess. An oligarchy is right.

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