Rant/Rave: Bourbon

[jim]

Mexican margarita is squirt, tequila and salt.

I don't need google or wikipedia because I have you to tell me everything. But if I did use google, and tried something like "cocteles mas popular en mexico" I get stuff like this:

http://listas.20minutos.es/lista/55-coc ... on-302041/
http://www.rinconabstracto.com/2011/07/ ... lares.html

O...
"Bebidas alcohólicas mas común en México":

etc...

[33anda3rd]

That first link you put up, under Paloma, where it says "Más popular en México que el mismísimo Maragarita...."

How does that translate?

Mas is more.

en Mexico is in Mexico.

Than the margarita.

Got it. Thanks for the link. You should correct me more on topics in which I work every day, especially with links that disagree with your point.

The second link we don't even need to address. The Bloody Mary? In Mexico they drink Micheladas. The pic of the margarita is a frozen abomination of a tourist destination drink. These are tourist drinks served at tourist traps. That list is not in the least descriptive of what Mexicans drink, it's descriptive of what leather-assed Americans drink when they escape their boring mundane office jobs for a week in February. Regardless what language it's written in.

[thrill]

You two schmucks are cracking me up. THEY'RE THE SAME THING. Jim is just calling it by a name he probably heard on vacation that sounds less fancy and is a quick way to explain to the gringos that this is what mexicans drink.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paloma_(cocktail)

The paloma (Spanish for "dove") is a tequila-based cocktail, most commonly prepared by mixing tequila with a grapefruit-flavored soda such as Fresca, Squirt, or Jarritos and served on the rocks with a lime wedge. Optionally, the glass may also be rimmed with salt.

Alternatively, the grapefruit soda can be replaced with fresh white or red grapefruit juice (jugo de toronja), club soda (sugar optional), and fresh-squeezed lime juice.

[jim]

I'm calling it what my Mexican friends call it. They call it a Mexican Margarita - just tequila and soda - usually Squirt. Maybe it's regional, but I've heard it from two different people from different states (Durango and Guanajuato). The liquour store I go to on the way home is Mexican owned, probably 2/3 of the clients are Mexicans. They have a section for Squirt, and have 5x as much of that as Coke. Maybe you can't overcharge customers calling it something else, so you call it a Paloma.

I've never had a Mexican Margarita in Mexico. I've had the touristy blended thing that you get in restaurants here.

[33anda3rd]

THEY'RE THE SAME THING.

They're not.

A margarita is tequila, triple sec, a bit of simple syrup often, plus lime juice, with a salt rim. Tequila is the largest ingredient.

A paloma is tequila, grapefruit soda, lime, salt. The grapefruit soda is the largest ingredient. t's far more classically Mexican, with the grapefruit soda which along with beer is the preferred thirst-quencher of Mexicans.

The margarita is closer to the sidecar than the paloma, and the paloma is closer to the greyhound than the margarita. They're not only not the same, they're not even possessing of closest-relative status in the cocktail family tree. On Washington Island, WI there's a bar that makes a "Gin Old Fashioned." It's served in a 16oz Bud Light keg cup packed with ice--gin, angostura bitters, and Squirt poured over the ice. If you want it, you have to ask for a gin old fashioned but it's no more an old fashioned than a glass of water is an old fashioned. An old fashioned is sugar, water, booze, bitters and that's it. That the people of Washington Island have a gin old fashioned that's really not an old fashioned is a quirk, and an enjoyable one, in going to a bar up there. But what they're making is not an old fashioned.

It's like saying a slice of American cheese on a slice of bread is a pizza. Because you have cheese on bread does not make it pizza, and a paloma is not a margarita because they both have tequila and citrus. There are probably 30 drinks with tequila and citrus, many of them variations on either a margarita or a paloma, but we can't say they're all 'margaritas' because that's what someone who calls it the wrong thing says is a margarita.

[thrill]

THEY'RE THE SAME THING.

They're not.

A margarita is tequila, triple sec, a bit of simple syrup often, plus lime juice, with a salt rim. Tequila is the largest ingredient.

A paloma is tequila, grapefruit soda, lime, salt. The grapefruit soda is the largest ingredient. t's far more classically Mexican, with the grapefruit soda which along with beer is the preferred thirst-quencher of Mexicans.

That's not what I was referring to.

What jim was calling a "mexican margarita" is actually a paloma. Not a margarita.

[TimeForGuinness]

THEY'RE THE SAME THING.

They're not.

A margarita is tequila, triple sec, a bit of simple syrup often, plus lime juice, with a salt rim. Tequila is the largest ingredient.

A paloma is tequila, grapefruit soda, lime, salt. The grapefruit soda is the largest ingredient. t's far more classically Mexican, with the grapefruit soda which along with beer is the preferred thirst-quencher of Mexicans.

That's not what I was referring to.

What jim was calling a "mexican margarita" is actually a paloma. Not a margarita.

I think jim is gonna call it whatever he damn well pleases because he knows a few Mexican people...and has been to Mexico...and likes chimichangas.

[jim]

THEY'RE THE SAME THING.

A paloma is tequila, grapefruit soda, lime, salt.

If you would stop for a second and actually read what anyone else wrote instead of just being obsessed about sharing your ideas to the world because you know this entire website revolves around you and what you say, you would see that I wrote that what I am calling a Mexican Margarita is exactly what you just described. So "THEY'RE THE SAME THING" is accurate.

Whatever you want to call it, I agree that Squirt/Tequila/Salt is the most common ingredients of a mixed drink in Mexico.

[ghostrunner]

Article on Justified and the role of various bourbons used on the show:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/sty ... justified/

[33anda3rd]

You can make variations on drinks. Here's an example:
Old Fashioned--rye, sugar, water, Angostura bitters, orange peel.
Bourbon Old Fashioned--bourbon, sugar, water, Angostura bitters, lemon peel.
Oaxacan Old Fashioned--mezcal, reduction of Mexican Coke for the sugar/water, Xocolatl bitters, grapefruit peel.
And so on.

What we can't do is use an absinthe rinse, Peychaud's bitters, sugar, water, and rye whiskey and call it a "New Orleans Old Fashioned" because what we have there is a Sazerac. There's already an established name for it. So we call it the name that it has. Why on earth anyone would call a Paloma a Mexican Margarita when there's already a drink from Mexico called Margarita confounds me. It's like someone from Atlanta referring to Pepsi as "Coke." It's not Coke, it's Pepsi. It's not that it's a thing with regional differences--Pop vs. Soda, SOS vs. Chipped Beef On Toast--it's that you're calling something with a very well established and recognizable name something with another very well established and recognizable name.