TV Thread - beware, [expletive] can get spoilery

[haltz]

Zoo is completely ridiculous. Insane premise filled with plotholes and inconsistencies. The writing is bad and the acting isn't much better. And I'm pretty sure I'm going to keep watching.

[haltz]

I just re-watched the Seinfeld finale and I thought it was great. I guess like pretty much all finales it was critically doomed, but it doesn't deserve even close to what it got.

[ghostrunner]

I just re-watched the Seinfeld finale and I thought it was great. I guess like pretty much all finales it was critically doomed, but it doesn't deserve even close to what it got.

I'm pretty sure that was an expectation problem. It works ok as a finale, but it was a little weird seeing the characters judged all of a sudden, and they weren't ever really that horrible except for the finale itself and maybe the Susan episode. They had aways been punished in the show to varying extents. They can't keep their significant others, Jerry and George don't get their sitcom, Elaine loses her jobs, George is always in hell mostly because he in particular IS a lousy person. I think the finale just overshoots the mark. The bizarro jerry episode made the same point in a better way. I remember getting tired of all the old characters coming back for the trial, though I liked the end with them talking in the cell and then Jerry appearing to be perfectly happy doing standup for the prisoners.

Also, people had parties with Seinfeld food and all that. I was actually at one. So people are having a good time, expecting to laugh and it's not a particularly funny episode as I recall. I'd guess people were expecting something like the end of MASH, which really makes no sense.

[Schlich]

I seriously can't believe none of you are watching Bojack.

[JackofDiamonds]

I seriously can't believe none of you are watching Bojack.

I'm watching Bojack.

[JL21]

I seriously can't believe none of you are watching Bojack.

I'm watching Bojack.

I did season one and enjoyed it quite a bit. I'll be doing season 2 relatively soon.

[Schlich]

ITS SO GOOD

[33anda3rd]

I'm pretty sure that was an expectation problem. (snip) Also, people had parties with Seinfeld food and all that. I was actually at one. So people are having a good time, expecting to laugh and it's not a particularly funny episode as I recall. I'd guess people were expecting something like the end of MASH, which really makes no sense.

Totally. In a finale when Seinfeld finished we wanted MASH or Cheers or something similarly sentimental where the characters we grew to love got a palatable crowd-pleasing send off. LD and Jerry flipped the bird to that and people hated it. Now that we have had finales from The Sopranos and The Wire and Seinfeld and others to tell us that not all TV is going to end in a neat package we as a whole don't expect to be placated with sentiment like we used to.

[Jocephus]

it was essentially a clip show and there was a clip show before the finale aired. i think that annoyed people.

larry has said if he had to do it over again he wouldn't have had it been such a secretive process but that could be partially nbc and how could you not instinctively be private about it at the time?

[33anda3rd]

I don't think if you have a big TV show--either big in terms of huge audience like Seinfeld, or big like major cult status like True Detective--that you can be transparent about your finale before it airs. Your sponsors and your network would be up in arms. Better to have them tune in and be disappointed than not tune in.