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fanforever wrote:
jagtrader wrote:Rosenthal's recent struggles have arrived with Molina's absence. Could be a coincidence. Could not. .
That is an interesting point
The injury bug could play a part. I’ll admit to not really thinking much of Yadier Molina’s thumb injury at first, because (1) the Cardinals are an astoundingly deep team that’s won despite injuries all year; (2) for all his defensive prowess, Molina was the worst hitter in St. Louis’s everyday lineup; and (3) even if Molina’s grit and leadership really are irreplaceable, he can still lead from the dugout. But then I actually took a good look at Tony Cruz’s batting line, and the drop-off from Molina to Cruz is much larger than I’d imagined or even thought possible. Like, I don’t know what you imagine when you think of a stock backup catcher, but I wasn’t prepared for “massively underperforming his career wRC+ of 52.”
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/2015- ... -cy-young/

Any word on Yadi? We may not need him back for the regular season games. But I can't imagine the Cards advancing with Tony Cruz as the main guy behind the plate.
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Rosenthal is fine. two outings is not indicative of anything, ever.

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dmarx114 wrote:
jim wrote:Matheny imo is manager of the year and yet we have another group that wouldnt mind seeing him go. i guess that shows there is room for difference of opinion.
I think he should be manager of the year as well.
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I think Matheny should be manager of the year. I also think you bring in somebody like Baker or Guillen if available.

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Schlich wrote:
Vidor wrote:
haltz wrote:
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pioneer98 wrote:OK so Rosey has blown 2 recent saves with 9th inning HR's and has looked shaky in at bats he didn't allow a HR. Is this bad luck? How many more good/bad appearances will it take to find out? I don't know the answer. I guess all I'm saying is the leash should be extra short because a) the season is on the line and b) Rosey has been shaky lately. I don't want a repeat of what we saw right before the ASB.
I'm gonna have to remember to pick up some cyanide today just to have it on hand if Rosenthal gets called on.
I don't completely agree with pioneer, but Jesus, comments like this are [expletive] obnoxious and bad for nerdy baseball discussion business
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Think you're overreacting a little bit here? All I'm saying is that based on Rosenthal's performance yesterday and his less-than-stellar performance in some of his past appearances against Pittsburgh, I am less than confident about him getting the call in the ninth inning against the Pirates. If you disagree, fine.
it did appear like you were mocking pioneer instead of agreeing and amplifying. misunderstanding. kumbayah.
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Joe Shlabotnik wrote:
dmarx114 wrote:
jim wrote:Matheny imo is manager of the year and yet we have another group that wouldnt mind seeing him go. i guess that shows there is room for difference of opinion.
I think he should be manager of the year as well.
Count me in.
ditto...said this in a game thread last week

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Schlich wrote:Rosenthal is fine. two outings is not indicative of anything, ever.
Agreed. Back in May when CMart started a game by walking the bases full then allowing like 4 straight singles to go down 5-0 no one was anxious or nervous or thought he shouldn't start another game...I just realized I shouldn't say no one because the GDT for that day is probably full of anxiety and panic. Anyway, a couple innings is too small to qualify as a 'small sample size.' It's like a micro sample.

w/r/t Rosenthal and the Sunday game v the Cubs, I disagree with the notion that bringing Rosey in means you have burnt him/wasted him. At that point in the game, with the 14th best hitter in baseball up and runners on first and second and a two-run lead in the 8th inning, if Rosenthal comes in and gets Bryant/LaStella/Russell out, then whoever comes in for the 9th is going to face Montero/Castro/PitcherSpot with a two-run lead.

The Cubs entered that inning with a 21.5% likelihood of winning.
By the time Bryant had been walked to load the bases the game was 50/50.
When Broxton walked LaStella, even down a run the Cubs win expectation was then at 70.2%.
In the course of four PA the Cubs went from very unlikely to win to likely to win. Using the 4th-best RP in baseball when the Cubs chances to come back and beat us are at their peak isn't wasting him, it's the best possible utilization of him. Someone else can pitch the 9th when the bottom 3 spots in the order are up and the Cubs have a 17% chance of winning. Not pitching Rosenthal then is like putting your best hitter in the #9 spot in the order.

Generally speaking, I think those are the kinds of things that should go into any discussion of Manager Of The Year. Matheny's got himself a 100-win club that's had to deal with a lot of injuries this year. Usually that's about as deep as a MOTY conversation gets, whereas we will debate endlessly the merits and granular numbers for players when discussing the MVP, CYA, ROY, HOF, etc. We don't give much consideration to MOTY. It's a gut vote. "He did a hell of a job turning that club around." "I like the way he handles his club." I'd rather discuss the granular stuff of the manager. How is he really doing at managing each game, rather than a blanket statement of approval.

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Oh god, whiteyball with this offense?!?

Just kidding. I miss Whitey, even though I was too going to appreciate him

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pioneer98 wrote:I think Matheny deserves manager of the year but he makes mistakes from time to time. No manager is perfect.
Bochy/Showalter are the only managers who seem to be a step ahead in terms of in-game tactics....Matheny doesn't differ much on that front from any other manager. They all basically follow the same script, even Maddon. Matheny's weakness is his loyalty, but that is pretty much overwritten by an uncanny ability to never let his players get too low. I don't believe the Cardinals have lost more than 3 games in a row this season, they haven't been swept in a 3-game series since....2013? and no matter who goes down they just grind away. Good pitching has a lot to do with this, but like TLR said "men, not machines." Never been in a clubhouse, but I will bet losing a bunch of your veterans in 5 months time can be debilitating. Somehow this team gets past it.

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