Dexter Fowler

[vinsanity]

isn't eaton an above average CFer?

Not by UZR. He's below average in CF and Platinum Glove in RF.

[lukethedrifter]

Keep in mind that Fowler is very religious and part of the FCA. This might be up Matheny's alley.

But when MM drones on in that monotone Fowler's going to fall asleep.

[jagtrader]

Matheny gushed about Dexter Fowler. He says he is willing to help recruit Fowler if asked. Sounds like he'd love to have him. @KSDKSports


Oh good grief

Yes, this is [expletive] outrageous. Fire him, Mo!!!!!1!1

[stlouie_lipp]

I don't like Adam Eaton. Can't really say why exactly, I just don't.

[pioneer98]

I mean, I do think that Fowler is worth the money he'll get and he would not be a bad sign at all. I just can't get worked up about him either signing or not signing. Doesn't make much of a difference in the long-run and the way the Cards are treating Peralta makes me wary of Fowler's year 3 and year 4.

In year 4, when we're stuck with him and stuck playing him, are we going to want him? No... probably not. So, either way we go here is fine with me.

This is exactly where I'm at. The offseason does not hinge on Dexter Fowler.

Whether they get him or not, there are a number of other things they could do. They need to trade some of these players that just don't have a place. Jaime was one of them. They got prospects for him, which is fine. But then there is Peralta, Adams, Rosie, Wacha, Wong and probably others that all are probably worth more to other teams than they are worth to the Cardinals. They should trade some of these guys. Fill some other need, while making the everyday lineup a bit clearer for our paint by numbers manager. If you have to throw in a mid-level prospect or something to make a deal work, so be it.

[BW23]

Matheny gushed about Dexter Fowler. He says he is willing to help recruit Fowler if asked. Sounds like he'd love to have him. @KSDKSports


Oh good grief

Yes, this is [expletive] outrageous. Fire him, Mo!!!!!1!1

I think it would be better for Matheny to throw shade at Fowler. You know, live up to personality issues gossip.

[Fan_In_NY]

I mean, I do think that Fowler is worth the money he'll get and he would not be a bad sign at all. I just can't get worked up about him either signing or not signing. Doesn't make much of a difference in the long-run and the way the Cards are treating Peralta makes me wary of Fowler's year 3 and year 4.

In year 4, when we're stuck with him and stuck playing him, are we going to want him? No... probably not. So, either way we go here is fine with me.

This is exactly where I'm at. The offseason does not hinge on Dexter Fowler.

Whether they get him or not, there are a number of other things they could do. They need to trade some of these players that just don't have a place. Jaime was one of them. They got prospects for him, which is fine. But then there is Peralta, Adams, Rosie, Wacha, Wong and probably others that all are probably worth more to other teams than they are worth to the Cardinals. They should trade some of these guys. Fill some other need, while making the everyday lineup a bit clearer for our paint by numbers manager. If you have to throw in a mid-level prospect or something to make a deal work, so be it.

I question if all of those players you mention (Peralta, Adams, Rosey, Wacha, Wong) have more value to other teams than the Cardinals (with Adams being possibly the one exception). Garcia got the Cards a bullpen arm, not unlike what they got last year in the Rule 5 draft, and some very fringy prospect. That shows he had almost no value. Peralta is not useful to anytime rebuilding and would be a similar backup on a contending team like the Cards. Rosey is too expensive for a non-contending team, and any contending team would have similar reservations as to his possible role on the squad (just like the Cards). Wong is the Cards starting 2B and plays good defense. His contract doesn't necessarily make him attractive to rebuilding teams, and his lack of production make it difficult to see him as a clear upgrade for a contending team that they would give the Cards decent value. Wacha, no one knows his health history better than the Cards.

The hot stove starting 8 isn't the only thing an organization needs to think about. Its about depth. You aren't making it through a week of the season without being effected by injuries. If you are a contending time and Carpenter gets hurt, you need a player like Adams able to step in. If Gyorko forgets how to his lefties, Peralta is going to need to play. One of the positives that the Cards had last year was their bench and the way they were able to combat injuries to the starting lineup. Contending teams need to have useful backups at every position. The payoff for these players is not going to be top prospects that have plenty of future value. They are going to be fringe prospects that have low ceilings. These players you mention may have flaws but they have shown the ability to produce at a major league level. Sure if someone wants to give up a teams top 5 prospect for this group I would look at trading them, but teams are not knocking down Moz's door looking to give up real difference makers for this group.

[pioneer98]

I mean, I do think that Fowler is worth the money he'll get and he would not be a bad sign at all. I just can't get worked up about him either signing or not signing. Doesn't make much of a difference in the long-run and the way the Cards are treating Peralta makes me wary of Fowler's year 3 and year 4.

In year 4, when we're stuck with him and stuck playing him, are we going to want him? No... probably not. So, either way we go here is fine with me.

This is exactly where I'm at. The offseason does not hinge on Dexter Fowler.

Whether they get him or not, there are a number of other things they could do. They need to trade some of these players that just don't have a place. Jaime was one of them. They got prospects for him, which is fine. But then there is Peralta, Adams, Rosie, Wacha, Wong and probably others that all are probably worth more to other teams than they are worth to the Cardinals. They should trade some of these guys. Fill some other need, while making the everyday lineup a bit clearer for our paint by numbers manager. If you have to throw in a mid-level prospect or something to make a deal work, so be it.

I question if all of those players you mention (Peralta, Adams, Rosey, Wacha, Wong) have more value to other teams than the Cardinals (with Adams being possibly the one exception). Garcia got the Cards a bullpen arm, not unlike what they got last year in the Rule 5 draft, and some very fringy prospect. That shows he had almost no value. Peralta is not useful to anytime rebuilding and would be a similar backup on a contending team like the Cards. Rosey is too expensive for a non-contending team, and any contending team would have similar reservations as to his possible role on the squad (just like the Cards). Wong is the Cards starting 2B and plays good defense. His contract doesn't necessarily make him attractive to rebuilding teams, and his lack of production make it difficult to see him as a clear upgrade for a contending team that they would give the Cards decent value. Wacha, no one knows his health history better than the Cards.

The hot stove starting 8 isn't the only thing an organization needs to think about. Its about depth. You aren't making it through a week of the season without being effected by injuries. If you are a contending time and Carpenter gets hurt, you need a player like Adams able to step in. If Gyorko forgets how to his lefties, Peralta is going to need to play. One of the positives that the Cards had last year was their bench and the way they were able to combat injuries to the starting lineup. Contending teams need to have useful backups at every position. The payoff for these players is not going to be top prospects that have plenty of future value. They are going to be fringe prospects that have low ceilings. These players you mention may have flaws but they have shown the ability to produce at a major league level. Sure if someone wants to give up a teams top 5 prospect for this group I would look at trading them, but teams are not knocking down Moz's door looking to give up real difference makers for this group.

I'm not saying to trade *all* of them. I'm saying they should move a couple of those guys. Trading 1 or 2 isn't going to kill depth, especially if you get something useful in return. When you look at the contracts starting pitchers and closers are getting on the open market, guys like Wacha and Rosie still have a lot of value.

[MrCrowesGarden]

Thanks Jose.

[Farewell Friends]

What kind of tweet is that?