Getting What They Wanted - And Not Liking It.

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cardsfansince82 wrote:
Leroy wrote:Who said you can't call Trump a racist? I don't think I ever said that. I have no idea, he could very well be.
Trump is pretty clearly racist and I'm not sure how you can claim to have no idea about it.

Middle was referring to all of the whining any time someone calls Trump voters racist.
I don't know everything.
Sorry if I whined.
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Leroy wrote:
cardsfansince82 wrote:
Leroy wrote:Who said you can't call Trump a racist? I don't think I ever said that. I have no idea, he could very well be.
Trump is pretty clearly racist and I'm not sure how you can claim to have no idea about it.

Middle was referring to all of the whining any time someone calls Trump voters racist.
I don't know everything.
Sorry if I whined.
I'm not asking you to know everything. I'm asking you to acknowledge that the guy who has spent the last 18 months on every TV station, in every newspaper and discussed endlessly on at least one website you regularly frequent is a racist. He's the most media saturated person ever and his only consistent message throughout was saying negative things about non-white people. Is that too much to ask?
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Kentuckians conflicted over Obamacare.
Dewey Gorman, a 59-year-old banker who has struggled with opioid addiction, had just gotten out of the hospital in this tiny central Appalachian city when he heard the word from Washington: His fellow Kentuckian, Senator Mitch McConnell, had delayed a vote to repeal the Affordable Care Act. He felt torn about that. “It’s broken. It’s broken very badly,” Mr. Gorman said of former President Barack Obama’s signature health care law. “But if they want to take away insurance from 22 million people — a lot of them would come from these mountains. That would be devastating to our area.”

Perhaps nowhere has health care law had as powerful an impact as in Kentucky, where nearly one in three people now receive coverage through Medicaid, expanded under the legislation. Perhaps no region in Kentucky has benefited as much as Appalachia, the impoverished eastern part of the state, where in some counties more than 60 percent of people are covered by Medicaid.

And in few places are the political complexities of health care more glaring than in this poor state with crushing medical needs, substantially alleviated by the Affordable Care Act, but where Republican opposition to the law remains almost an article of faith. While some Senate moderates say the Republican bill is too harsh, Rand Paul, Kentucky’s other Republican senator, is among Senate Republicans who say they are opposed to the current bill for a different reason: They believe it does not go far enough to reduce costs.
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Joe Shlabotnik wrote:Kentuckians conflicted over Obamacare.
Dewey Gorman, a 59-year-old banker who has struggled with opioid addiction, had just gotten out of the hospital in this tiny central Appalachian city when he heard the word from Washington: His fellow Kentuckian, Senator Mitch McConnell, had delayed a vote to repeal the Affordable Care Act. He felt torn about that. “It’s broken. It’s broken very badly,” Mr. Gorman said of former President Barack Obama’s signature health care law. “But if they want to take away insurance from 22 million people — a lot of them would come from these mountains. That would be devastating to our area.”

Perhaps nowhere has health care law had as powerful an impact as in Kentucky, where nearly one in three people now receive coverage through Medicaid, expanded under the legislation. Perhaps no region in Kentucky has benefited as much as Appalachia, the impoverished eastern part of the state, where in some counties more than 60 percent of people are covered by Medicaid.

And in few places are the political complexities of health care more glaring than in this poor state with crushing medical needs, substantially alleviated by the Affordable Care Act, but where Republican opposition to the law remains almost an article of faith. While some Senate moderates say the Republican bill is too harsh, Rand Paul, Kentucky’s other Republican senator, is among Senate Republicans who say they are opposed to the current bill for a different reason: They believe it does not go far enough to reduce costs.
Won't all the coal jobs give them money to pay their medical bills?
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Iraqi Christians who voted for Trump being deported by Trump.
A few Sundays ago, federal immigration agents walked through the doors of handsome houses here in the Detroit suburbs, brushing past tearful children, stunned wives and statuettes of the Virgin Mary in search of men whose time was up.

If the Trump administration prevails, more than 100 of these men may soon be deported, like the tens of thousands of other people rounded up this year as part of a national clampdown on illegal immigration.

“Everyone thought this could not apply to us,” said Nadine Yousif, a lawyer with CODE Legal Aid, a local organization coordinating the community’s response to the raids.

The immigration authorities give the same explanation they have given for the arrests of tens of thousands of Latinos and other immigrants without legal status since Mr. Trump took office: These people, too, are what the government refers to as “criminal aliens.”
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VICE News Tonight did a piece on this exact same thing last night. A guy from Michigan who faces deportation to Iraq and would likely be persecuted.

BTW if you have HBO, John Oliver is great but VICE's M-TH news show is great as well.
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Wait...they are deporting citizens?

Or illegal immigrants? And if they were illegal immigrants, how did they vote? I must be missing something here.
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Leroy wrote:Wait...they are deporting citizens?

Or illegal immigrants? And if they were illegal immigrants, how did they vote? I must be missing something here.
These are Iraqi Christians who settled here a decade or more ago but never went through the citizenship process. I assume they let their visas lapse. They are now targets of ICE. The ones cited in the article did vote for Trump.
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Leroy wrote:Wait...they are deporting citizens?

Or illegal immigrants? And if they were illegal immigrants, how did they vote? I must be missing something here.
The article provides these details.

Joe Shlabotnik wrote: These are Iraqi Christians who settled here a decade or more ago but never went through the citizenship process. I assume they let their visas lapse.
No, they have criminal records:
The immigration authorities give the same explanation they have given for the arrests of tens of thousands of Latinos and other immigrants without legal status since Mr. Trump took office: These people, too, are what the government refers to as “criminal aliens.”
Mr. Hamama, who arrived in the United States from Baghdad when he was 11, was convicted of a weapons possession charge after he flashed an unloaded gun during a road-rage confrontation with another driver in 1988. He was ordered deported in 1994.
Mr. Konja, who goes by Nick, fled Iraq with his family at age 15, and later served 22 years in federal prison for selling cocaine. His green card was revoked, but since he could not be deported, he was able to stay, rise up the ranks at a chain of tobacco stores called Wild Bill’s, become engaged and buy a house.
Mr. Ali’s family fled Iraq in the early 1990s after his father, an army officer, defied an order from Saddam Hussein. He lost his green card after breaking into a car as a teenager.
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