Rule Interpretation (high school basketball)

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Rule Interpretation (high school basketball)

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So, I'm attending a holiday basketball tournament (high school) this week, and the following happened:

Game tied in the final seconds of regulation. Team A drives to the basket, and pretty clearly gets fouled, but the official missed it, and the 4th quarter ends. The coach for Team A is irate that a foul wasn't called, and he throws a fit about it. The official calls a technical foul on the misbehaving coach (rightfully so).

The official says that the technical free throw will end the game. The angry coach claims that the technical free throw should start the overtime period.

What says you?

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I do not know much about basketball rules other than the basics. But logically, this seems to me like it should be at the start of OT.

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I think the technical free throw would be shot at the end of regulation, before overtime. It seems analogous to an untimed down after a penalty in football.

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I found the official rule, but I'll be damned if I can understand what the last sentence means:

4. If a technical foul occurs after the ball has become dead to end a quarter or extra period, the
next quarter or extra period is started by administering the free throws. This applies when the foul
occurs after any quarter has ended, including the fourth quarter, provided there is to be an extra
period. If there is no way to determine whether there will be an extra period until the free throws
are administered, the free throws are attempted immediately, as if the foul had been part of the
preceding quarter.

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MrCrowesGarden wrote:I think the technical free throw would be shot at the end of regulation, before overtime. It seems analogous to an untimed down after a penalty in football.

That's an interesting perspective that I hadn't considered (the untimed down in football). The untimed down is because of a penalty that happened during regulation play though, right? I mean, what would happen if an unsportsmanlike conduct call was made on a player after the 4th quarter had ended in a tie football game? I assume it would be assessed in overtime.

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I read it as they take place in OT UNLESS there would be no OT without the making of the FT(s).

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Socnorb11 wrote:
MrCrowesGarden wrote:I think the technical free throw would be shot at the end of regulation, before overtime. It seems analogous to an untimed down after a penalty in football.

That's an interesting perspective that I hadn't considered (the untimed down in football). The untimed down is because of a penalty that happened during regulation play though, right? I mean, what would happen if an unsportsmanlike conduct call was made on a player after the 4th quarter had ended in a tie football game? I assume it would be assessed in overtime.
From talking to other people, it does sound like it would be applied in overtime, at least in college football.

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lukethedrifter wrote:I read it as they take place in OT UNLESS there would be no OT without the making of the FT(s).

Duh, that makes perfect sense. I'm not sure why I couldn't put those pieces together.

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MrCrowesGarden wrote:I think the technical free throw would be shot at the end of regulation, before overtime. It seems analogous to an untimed down after a penalty in football.
This is what I immediately thought.

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If the offense that occured to invoke the foul call from the ref happened after the clock ran out, it had zero effect on the outcome of the regulation score. If the score was tied at the buzzer, there is going to be OT and they start it with the free throws. If the score is not tied, the game is over. If the coach was particularly aggressive, then fine him. But in my opinion, those free throws shouldn't have applied to the regulation score. That's pretty ridiculous.

Another analogous situation could be a fight at the end of a hockey game. Even if the game isn't tied, they still announce penalties and game misconducts and such. And if the game IS tied, then the penalties count for OT.

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