TV Thread - beware, [expletive] can get spoilery

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It feels like lots of subcultures bubbled big enough to get into the consciousness in the 90s. I can't decide if that's normal for a decade or not. Ska. Disco. Weird Euro-dance stuff.

At least where I'm discussing it, lots of things seem to get lost in discussions of the 90s. GnR. Black Crowes. Red Hod Chili Peppers. Michael Jackson. Prince. Janet Jackson. Wildflowers came out in 1994. Lots of things seem to sort of be in their own little channel if they're outside of grunge or the decade's hip hop which dominate the discussion which usually then goes to Britney, Backstreet Boys and Creed. Some of it doesn't fit the narrative that the Smells Like Teen Spirit riff blew the Aqua Net factory to the ground.

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That narrative has always been BS.

[vinsanity]

Little Demon is a show.

I hate myself for continuing to watch American Horror Stories and I will hate myself watching the next season of American Horror Story. If I've said it before, then I'm saying it again because apparently I like making the same mistakes twice.

I can't get in to Succession no matter how hard I try.

What We Do In The Shadows [expletive] hilarious.

The barrier to entry on the new Rick and Morty stuff is pushing me off; I like what I've seen but I also wish it went back to just absurd one-offs to be honest.

Haven't seen it brought up but "The Wall" in Solar Opposites is dope.

The Rehearsal is odd and I think it will age better than it's first viewing but it feels like it lacks some of the heart of Nathan For You. Like it's a televised psych/sociology experiment more than just laughing at Nathan's awkwardness and absurd measures. NFY didn't feel like it was laughing at the people (maybe BIll Gates?) but a more honest view of reality TV in a pretty harmless situation. The Rehearsal doesn't feel mean spirited but it's missing something.

[Smith Corks One]

The Gin Blossoms have two things going for them:

1. A few absolutely undeniable singles from that Big Star-influenced power pop tree that also gave us, like, Matthew Sweet and the Lemonheads. Sunshiney, jangling guitars and lyrics mixed with a tinge of sadness. Which, on that note:
2. The Tragic Story. Their principal songwriter drank himself out of the band. He allegedly sold his songwriting credits for $10,000 in the throes of alcoholism, then watched as the album he wrote became a massive hit. Then he committed suicide.

Anyway, take a fairly sunny sounding pop band and give it a tragic backstory and people will create a bit of a mystique/aura around it. The music at the time was pretty unremarkable, but they had better pop instincts and thus more staying power than peers like, I dunno, Better Than Ezra or Marcy Playground.

I swear, I'm not trying to derail vin's valiant attempt to bring the thread back on topic. But seeing this post made me remember that I can never keep the Gin Blossoms and the Goo Goo Dolls separate in my head. I'm not sure why; because they both start with G? Do they sound similar? I don't know, because, while I remember some songs, I honestly can't decide which band sang them. "Iris" - I'm leaning Goo Goo Dolls, but it's like 55-45. "Hey Jealousy"...ummm, Goo Goo Dolls again? Because it sounds just like Iris. So what the [expletive] did the Gin Blossoms sing? I remember the name quite well, and probably knew their stuff at the time, but I have no idea how long I've been lumping them in with the other band. Ohhh wait, "Runaway Train"? No that was Soul Asylum (meh). Back to square one.

Edit: Just saw mikechamp's post in the other thread, but I don't recognize that Gin Blossoms song. After hearing it, though, I do feel pretty confident in changing my guess of "Hey Jealousy" to the Gin Blossoms.

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I always confuse the Gin Blossoms and Spin Doctors. Not by sound, but just by band name. Gin Blossoms generally good, Spin Doctors generally bad. But when a song first comes on I have to think for several moments to remember the right band name.

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After hearing it, though, I do feel pretty confident in changing my guess of "Hey Jealousy" to the Gin Blossoms.

There's google...it is.

And it reminds me of the Gin Blossoms. So I understand you both.

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Cobra Kai has gone from funny sucks to just sucks.

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If this software thing doesn't work out...

I'm gonna either write for TV or start a YouTube channel wondering about all of the things wrong with terrible TV shows. But not like in that "I just hate every thing" TV review way. Which means it won't get clicks.

Which means that won't work out.

And I'll have to go back to the software thing.

And trying to get TV threads back on track.

And that won't work out.

[expletive] me.

[vinsanity]

Competing MILF's get in to a bar fight for context.

The (24 year old) daughter saves the (43 year old) mother and her friend from other 40 year old moms.

It's circling back to so bad it's funny.

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Cobra Kai, post season two, should be taught in colleges. Everyone can learn a lesson from it. Granted that lesson is what is absolute [expletive] TV.

Sandman isn't renewed. We lost a season of BoJack for this garbage.

It is tonally, objectively, story-wise, acting-wise, some of the worst things ever put to film. Like The Room was trying to be dramatic and failed and actors try and fail in such comically bad ways it's funny.

Not this. It doesn't know what it is. Please. For the love of a God I can't believe after seeing this absolute abomination, I suffered so you didn't have to. Do not watch it. Do not like it. Tweet at Macchio and Netflix to get the [expletive] out of the way.

Positive notes; the fight choreography (in all five scenes of 10 episodes) is good but awfully shot and horrible editing. Could be because the young actors seem to be doing a lot of the stunts and absolute credit to them for that. The younger actors are good. Zapka is good. The stunt work from the young actors is good, there's obvious speed ups and rapid cuts.

For real, I hate YA stuff but it would work if they kept it that way. But what 18 year old (looking up to a 24 year old playing a 17 year old?) gives a [expletive] about William Zapka's ultrasound inspiring him? It's so stupid contrived and wrapped up in the exact same drama instead of getting interesting. For instance; take Ozymandias from Breaking bad. That entire episode's plot can be summed up quick without total explanation.

[SHOW]

Nazis selling a drug maker's drugs, kills drug maker's brother-in-law and partner. Kidnap his partner. Steal his money. Drug maker is revealed as such to his family.

I get there are secondary implications; I get there's context and depth to what happens but that's what happen in the episode. I can probably sum up the original Karate Kid movie in about as many words to a reasonable degree - again, it doesn't explain everything but it'd be enough you could feel like you saw the movie just from pop-culture references. This show is so much the opposite. It's like, we need 307 characters, with 9800 plotlines. We're going to telegraph every twist. Then drop twists that don't really make sense. We're going to turn 4 90 minute 80's movies in to 5 10 episode seasons of callbacks and references and remember?

Every twist and fakeout is sooooo cliche and telegraphed it's not even funny. Zapka and his scenes work because he doesn't take himself seriously and it actually works.

Honestly, I'm more offended by this than the Falcons blowing a 28-3 lead in the super bowl. This collapse is worse than the 2011 Atlanta Braves. Rick Ankiel didn't implode this bad.

If I could move to Cleveland and buy season tickets to the Indians and prevent another season of this absolute assault on humanity, well Ralph Macchio has to cover that cost because he owes me money for still having a [expletive] career.

They say the opposite of love isn't hate, it's apathy so I suppose this dumpster fire and waste of server space made me feel something. I....

[Not-actually-mod-mod-note] If you like it, I'm sorry. I'm not insulting you or your tastes. I hate onions and love goat cheese. I'm sure some of you have long explanations of why those options are entirely wrong. I'm working hard to not yuck someone's yum. But there are so many objectively wrong things with it that could be changed to make me apathetic it can't go unsaid and the fact Netflix is cancelling Bojack and good [expletive] to greenlight this Macchio vanity project makes me ill.

I feel like I need to watch The Room and Plan 9 From Outer Space and Ed Wood just to remember there's good film out there. Shawshank or Citizen Kane would give me so much whiplash, I'd hit Albert's next three home runs.

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I'm getting a new title after this, aren't I.