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Came across two kind of related things:

NPR - Scientific findings often fail to be replicated

How our botched understanding of 'science' ruins everything

The first one talks about a team who tried to replicate the results of 100 published psychology studies. They only got similar results in 39 of them. It talks about how what it most likely means is not that they were "false" but that they didn't totally understand the causes, or conditions needed to be present to get the results.

The second one is an opinion piece/screed. He says "Science is the process through which we derive reliable predictive rules through controlled experimentation" and says that a ton of what is presented as "science", really isn't. He's got a point. A ton of what we do today is math models and use of data, not technically "science". Think Nate Silver. He's using a math model to try to predict an outcome based on data. That's what climate studies are trying to do, too. But neither of these things are technically "science" since they aren't controlled experiments. But I disagree with this guy that this means using data and math in this way has no value.

Anyway, I thought this paragraph was pretty damning:
Our approach to public policy is also astonishingly pre-scientific. There have been almost no large-scale truly scientific experiments on public policy since the welfare randomized field trials of the 1990s, and nobody seems to realize how barbaric this is. We have people at Brookings who can run spreadsheets, and Ezra Klein can write about it and say it proves things, we have all the science we need, thank you very much. But that is not science.
Take the debate about the impact of raising the minimum wage, or lowering taxes, or any other controversial piece of public policy. We have tons of data that you can find supporting whatever position you want. We could put the debate to rest by doing controlled experiments (like he says they did with welfare reform in the 90s).

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I despise NDT and his status as figurehead of the Cult of Science, but somehow I think he wouldn't be too happy about the implication that he doesn't know what science is.

The IRB gets in the way of more human population studies than an anti-science mindset. Necessary evil maybe, idk.

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Schlich wrote:I despise NDT and his status as figurehead of the Cult of Science, but somehow I think he wouldn't be too happy about the implication that he doesn't know what science is.

The IRB gets in the way of more human population studies than an anti-science mindset. Necessary evil maybe, idk.
I guess I don't see what could be bad about doing human population studies on certain issues. That 2nd article also mentions schools. That is another one that would be perfect for this. We are already making all kinds of changes in this area. We make giant top-down changes without really testing them first. It's kind of crazy.

We debate all day long about the impact that raising the minimum wage would have on a city or a state. Right now we have data that is extremely mixed and we debate it all day long. Obamacare is another one. Seems like a more scientific approach could put this debate to rest. Of course, I don't think our politicians want the debate to die. They thrive on it.

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pioneer98 wrote: We debate all day long about the impact that raising the minimum wage would have on a city or a state. Right now we have data that is extremely mixed and we debate it all day long. Obamacare is another one. Seems like a more scientific approach could put this debate to rest. Of course, I don't think our politicians want the debate to die. They thrive on it.
Thats it right there.

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Seemed like the appropriate thread for this news:
Scientists Confirm the Incredible Existence of Time Reflections

For more than 50 years, scientists theorized that an electromagnetic wave could be reflected temporally—not just spatially. Scientists have been unable to confirm the existence of time reflection due to the amount of energy required to create a temporal interface.

Using an engineered metamaterial, scientists in New York City were able to successfully observe time reflections for the first time.

“It is very difficult to change the properties of a medium quick enough, uniformly, and with enough contrast to time reflect electromagnetic signals because they oscillate very fast,” Gengyu Xu, a coauthor and post-doc student at CUNY ASRC, said in a press statement. “Our idea was to avoid changing the properties of the host material, and instead create a metamaterial in which additional elements can be abruptly added or subtracted through fast switches.”

This time reflection also behaves differently than spatial reflections. Because this time echo reflects that last part of the signal first, the researchers say that if you looked in a time mirror, you would see your back instead of your face. To translate the experience acoustically, it’d be like listening to a tape on rewind—which is to say fast and high-pitched.

This time reflection also behaves differently than spatial reflections. Because this time echo reflects that last part of the signal first, the researchers say that if you looked in a time mirror, you would see your back instead of your face. To translate the experience acoustically, it’d be like listening to a tape on rewind—which is to say fast and high-pitched.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/scientists-c ... 00976.html

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