BREAKING NEWS: LARUSSA ARRESTED

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haltz wrote:
skmsw wrote:2) Actually, most of my assumptions regarding what we've seen in the reports are sound. If you'd rather read wikipedia and assume that a quoted range of 15 minutes to two hours means that we can safely assume that it was two hours in TLR's case, that's fine. While you are 100% right that I am making some assumptions, and that I have absolutely no proof, in my day job I actually happen to have some professional expertise in this area.
It totally depends on when he had his last drink. If his third and fourth beers were drank just before he got in the car, then it is very likely that his peak BAC was in the station.
Absolutely agreed.
We just don't know enough to speculate that it was ever .125.
That's obviously where assumptions come in. And they are merely that -- assumptions.

For purposes of this thread, I've chosen to make the assumptions that --

1) Since TLR had apparently driven at least 15 miles (at least some of which were non-highway and had traffic lights), had stopped and passed out at least once, was questioned at the scene by police, received a field sobriety test, and was transported to the station ALL BEFORE he received the breathalyzer -- it had been AT LEAST an hour and a half since his last drink, even if he DID get in the car right after his last drink -- but --

2) That TLR is more likely to have been drinking more heavily early in the evening, than that he was still drinking right before getting in the car some time in the range of 11 PM

Based on those assumptions, which are unknowable but in my opinion are pretty reasonable, unless TLR is the outlier who metabolizes alcohol exceptionally slowly (which would be much more of an assumption than that he is relatively normal), his levels were very, very likely to have dropped by the time he was tested; perhaps dropped considerably. He was likely to be lower in the station than when he got behind the wheel, and was likely to be lower at the station than when found passed out.

Can I say these things with any certainty? Of course not. They admittedly are assumptions and opinion. But frankly I think they are far more likely than the alternatives.

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An article arguing against the current legal limits:

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/ ... i_21168708

And an article about Candy Lightner, the founder of MADD, who has since left because she thinks they've gone too far. And she was against lowering the limit to .08.

http://www.bookrags.com/Candy_Lightner
In addition to writing her book, Lightner continued to speak out against drunk driving in lectures across the country. In 1992, she founded a group called Victims in Action and its legislative arm, the Victims in Action Political Action Committee. In 1994, Lightner drew fire from MADD for lobbying on behalf of the American Beverage Institute, a trade group of restaurant and hotel executives. She took sides against her former allies over states wanting to pass laws lowering the blood alcohol level at which a driver is considered legally drunk from .10 to .08. Lowering the limit would not get the most dangerous drivers off the road, Lightner argued. Drivers with blood alcohol levels above .10, she asserted, cause more than 80 percent of drunk driving deaths. "The man who killed my daughter kept on driving drunk," Lightner told Katherine Griffin of Health magazine. "He has since been arrested several more times. In each case his blood alcohol content has been .20 or above. A small segment of our drinking/driving population causes the majority of the fatalities. So why aren't we going after them""

Challenging rumors that she'd gone soft on drunk driving, Lightner maintained that she favored enforcement of existing laws that allow police to take away the cars of repeat drunk drivers. "I am still amazed that the man who killed my daughter is barred from ever owning a handgun," she told Griffin, "but he can own a car."

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Well, if he had just eaten a big hearty meal with some meat and potatoes (instead of his usual vegetarian fare), this wouldn't have been an issue.

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(How Leroy didn't jump on this point yet, I'll never know.)

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All of those out there who have never had a drink while out at dinner and then drove home can yell all you want, but if you have ever had a drink or two at dinner and driven home, you could be in the same position as TLR today.

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wart57 wrote:All of those out there who have never had a drink while out at dinner and then drove home can yell all you want, but if you have ever had a drink or two at dinner and driven home, you could be in the same position as TLR today.
Not true. I often have a drink or two at dinner, get in my car and drive home.

Not only am I safe, I am well within the law.

This has nothing to do with LaRussa the manager.

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wart57 wrote:All of those out there who have never had a drink while out at dinner and then drove home can yell all you want, but if you have ever had a drink or two at dinner and driven home, you could be in the same position as TLR today.
Not true. I often have a drink or two at dinner, get in my car and drive home.

Not only am I safe, I am well within the law.

This has nothing to do with LaRussa the manager.
How do you know your safe? Do you have a portable breathalizer? Two beers are enough for you to blow a.09.

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wart57 wrote:
jim wrote:
wart57 wrote:All of those out there who have never had a drink while out at dinner and then drove home can yell all you want, but if you have ever had a drink or two at dinner and driven home, you could be in the same position as TLR today.
Not true. I often have a drink or two at dinner, get in my car and drive home.

Not only am I safe, I am well within the law.

This has nothing to do with LaRussa the manager.
How do you know your safe? Do you have a portable breathalizer? Two beers are enough for you to blow a.09.
I think you have a misunderstanding of what it takes to blow over the legal limit.

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The real travesty, is that he isn't even decent enough to get a DUI in St. Louis...or live there.

Unforgivable.

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wart57 wrote:All of those out there who have never had a drink while out at dinner and then drove home can yell all you want, but if you have ever had a drink or two at dinner and driven home, you could be in the same position as TLR today.
Then I could yell.

But I won't.

Tony made a mistake. I make mistakes. The media just doesn't care about mine.

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Leroy wrote:The real travesty, is that he isn't even decent enough to get a DUI in St. Louis...or live there.

Unforgivable.
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