Iraq is a Fool's Errand.

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I think that once a war records x number of deaths it should automatically be declared over.

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docellis wrote:I think that once a war records x number of deaths it should automatically be declared over.
i agree, if x = 1

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arnie.k wrote:
docellis wrote:I think that once a war records x number of deaths it should automatically be declared over.
i agree, if x >= 1
Fixed?

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Popeye_Card wrote:
arnie.k wrote:
docellis wrote:I think that once a war records x number of deaths it should automatically be declared over.
i agree, if x >= 1
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no no.

i know what i wrote & you know what i meant.

i've lived through 2 wars and one never-ending "conflict", and even had my own "share" of killing and seeing friends die.

no one ever wins a war.

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arnie.k wrote:
Popeye_Card wrote:
arnie.k wrote:
docellis wrote:I think that once a war records x number of deaths it should automatically be declared over.
i agree, if x >= 1
Fixed?

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no no.

i know what i wrote & you know what i meant.

i've lived through 2 wars and one never-ending "conflict", and even had my own "share" of killing and seeing friends die.

no one ever wins a war.
I know what you meant. I was just being an arse and correcting your math (greater than or equal to 1).

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arnie.k wrote: no one ever wins a war.
Not trying to be snarky here - wouldn't the slaves freed due to the Civil War have a different opinion? Or Jews after World War 2? Kuwaitis after the Gulf War?

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ghostrunner wrote:
arnie.k wrote: no one ever wins a war.
Not trying to be snarky here - wouldn't the slaves freed due to the Civil War have a different opinion? Or Jews after World War 2? Kuwaitis after the Gulf War?
i didn't say no one ever benefits from a war.

among the ones who benefit i could also list:

1. weapons manufacturers
2. oil companies in the gulf wars
3. generals and professional war-mongers
4. right-wing politicians
5. the list goes on, believe me...

but, i would also list:

1. the ones you mentioned
2. the japanese (who rebuilt their country after WWII better than it ever was)
3. the europeans (same as 2)
4. all of us - from the technological breakthroughs that come through trying to "out-kill" one another (there would not be commercial jets and satellites had it not been for military uses of these things, modern medicine would not exist without battlefields, etc etc etc)

read what i wrote again. no one ever wins a war.

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arnie.k wrote:
ghostrunner wrote:
arnie.k wrote: no one ever wins a war.
Not trying to be snarky here - wouldn't the slaves freed due to the Civil War have a different opinion? Or Jews after World War 2? Kuwaitis after the Gulf War?
i didn't say no one ever benefits from a war.

among the ones who benefit i could also list:

1. weapons manufacturers
2. oil companies in the gulf wars
3. generals and professional war-mongers
4. right-wing politicians
5. the list goes on, believe me...

but, i would also list:

1. the ones you mentioned
2. the japanese (who rebuilt their country after WWII better than it ever was)
3. the europeans (same as 2)
4. all of us - from the technological breakthroughs that come through trying to "out-kill" one another (there would not be commercial jets and satellites had it not been for military uses of these things, modern medicine would not exist without battlefields, etc etc etc)

read what i wrote again. no one ever wins a war.
Seems a little semantical to me. What's your definition of "win"?

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arnie.k wrote:
read what i wrote again. no one ever wins a war.
fair enough, but Doc's seemed like a pacifistic argument

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My argument was really meant to be philosophical I guess. I used the number "x" to get people to pick a number. I thought it would be revealing.

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