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vinsanity wrote:
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RC21 wrote:Weis won with Willingham's players, so there's something to be said for Ty there.
Yeah, it's been mentioned many times, but I still think it's funny that one of the reasons given for Willingham being fired was that he couldn't recruit, and Weis was given all sorts of praise that he could recruit. Then Weis wins with Tyrone's players, and loses now that his own are playing.

More than anything, Weis was lauded for praise for almost beating USC. Never has a coach been given so much credit for a game he ultimately lost (at home).

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It says Willingham couldn't coach. Also, Davie kept his job for 5 (to ty's 3) and in his last season went 5-6 then Ty went 10-3 with Davie's players.

I'm sick of hearing the race thing. They weren't even their first choice, he was only hired after the G-Tech coach was caught lying! God Forbid ND hired an alumnus they wanted and extended him after he went 19-6 in two seasons.

Also, the general praised given to Weis has more to do with his eye for talent than his ability to recruit. The big deal was made about him eying Brady Quinn while Quinn was in highschool and Weis was in New England.

As far as the praise for almost beating USC, well they technically won the game as 'The Bush Push' was illegal and Matt Leinart was down behind the goal line due to forward progress (lack there-of). [note - 'Cheating' happens on every play, not trying to make an excuse or complain about this play in anyway other than to say if you wanna crap on a guy for 'losing' a game realize that by the letter of the law they won they game].

But I'm glad we are such a classy group of people that we take sooooooo much pleasure in other teams (New York, Chicago, ND, Nebraska etc etc). It's not like any ND fan is walking around the board proclaiming how great they are and how much better than you they are, yet you still find the need to attack them? I'm really getting fed up with some of the antics around here.
Now THAT is a rant!
It's not like any ND fan is walking around the board proclaiming how great they are and how much better than you they are, yet you still find the need to attack them?
There are enough ND grads in the world, one doesn't need to hear from them on this board.
But I'm glad we are such a classy group of people that we take sooooooo much pleasure in other teams (New York, Chicago, ND, Nebraska etc etc)
That's part of fandom and having your team (whoever they may be). Rivalries are a big part of sports, especially college sports.

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vinsanity wrote:
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RC21 wrote:Weis won with Willingham's players, so there's something to be said for Ty there.
Yeah, it's been mentioned many times, but I still think it's funny that one of the reasons given for Willingham being fired was that he couldn't recruit, and Weis was given all sorts of praise that he could recruit. Then Weis wins with Tyrone's players, and loses now that his own are playing.

More than anything, Weis was lauded for praise for almost beating USC. Never has a coach been given so much credit for a game he ultimately lost (at home).

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It says Willingham couldn't coach. Also, Davie kept his job for 5 (to ty's 3) and in his last season went 5-6 then Ty went 10-3 with Davie's players.

I'm sick of hearing the race thing. They weren't even their first choice, he was only hired after the G-Tech coach was caught lying! God Forbid ND hired an alumnus they wanted and extended him after he went 19-6 in two seasons.

Also, the general praised given to Weis has more to do with his eye for talent than his ability to recruit. The big deal was made about him eying Brady Quinn while Quinn was in highschool and Weis was in New England.

As far as the praise for almost beating USC, well they technically won the game as 'The Bush Push' was illegal and Matt Leinart was down behind the goal line due to forward progress (lack there-of). [note - 'Cheating' happens on every play, not trying to make an excuse or complain about this play in anyway other than to say if you wanna crap on a guy for 'losing' a game realize that by the letter of the law they won they game].

But I'm glad we are such a classy group of people that we take sooooooo much pleasure in other teams (New York, Chicago, ND, Nebraska etc etc). It's not like any ND fan is walking around the board proclaiming how great they are and how much better than you they are, yet you still find the need to attack them? I'm really getting fed up with some of the antics around here.
I didn't play the race card. I think Willingham was an outsider, and they never really wanted to give him a chance.

As for the rest, I guess justify it in your mind however you want. Notre Dame hasn't beaten a legitimately good team in the Weis era since September 10th, 2005 when they beat Michigan. And now they're having their asses handed to them by any team they play. Weis may have an awesome eye for talent, and may be the best coach ever, but it certainly isn't showing up on the field.

I'm a Penn State fan. If you want to make fun of me for rooting for an old man coach who went 1-7 in the Big Ten just a few years ago, or got blitzed by Notre Dame last season, I'm cool with that.

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vinsanity wrote:It says Willingham couldn't coach. Also, Davie kept his job for 5 (to ty's 3) and in his last season went 5-6 then Ty went 10-3 with Davie's players.

I'm sick of hearing the race thing. They weren't even their first choice, he was only hired after the G-Tech coach was caught lying! God Forbid ND hired an alumnus they wanted and extended him after he went 19-6 in two seasons.
Verbatim, I said "without getting into the race thing". You didn't hear about the race thing. Calm down.

For the record, through three years, Willingham was 21-15. Weis' record is now 20-14.

Davie was 5-6 in his last year. It was 9-3 the year before that, and 5-7 the year before that. His first 3 years' record? 21-16.

Weis, Willingham, and Davie all had the same record, more or less, through three years. Thus far, only one of them has been fired. One is working on a contract extension that precludes him from being fired and the other, Davie, got two more years.

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vinsanity wrote:But I'm glad we are such a classy group of people that we take sooooooo much pleasure in other teams (New York, Chicago, ND, Nebraska etc etc). It's not like any ND fan is walking around the board proclaiming how great they are and how much better than you they are, yet you still find the need to attack them? I'm really getting fed up with some of the antics around here.
Did you just start watching sports today? It's not exactly strange/wrong for fans of one team to enjoy the failures of another team.

Sorry, but I'm not going to feel guilty for rooting against the Cubs, Yankees, etc. No dice.

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can we please stop being so racist in the thread and get back to
the subject of how bad nebraska sucks this year.. thanks..

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KyCardinalFan wrote:
It's not like any ND fan is walking around the board proclaiming how great they are and how much better than you they are, yet you still find the need to attack them?
There are enough ND grads in the world, one doesn't need to hear from them on this board.
Heh, fair enough and I can understand the sentiment. But the point was two fold:
1. There are jerk fans for every team. The Cardinals, Mizzou, ND and NYY. I think some people just excuse the behavior of their team.
2. It was unprovoked attack on Notre Dame in a thread about Nebraska. Why?
KyCardinalFan wrote:
But I'm glad we are such a classy group of people that we take sooooooo much pleasure in other teams (New York, Chicago, ND, Nebraska etc etc)
That's part of fandom and having your team (whoever they may be). Rivalries are a big part of sports, especially college sports.
ThatGuy wrote:Did you just start watching sports today? It's not exactly strange/wrong for fans of one team to enjoy the failures of another team.
Sorry, but I'm not going to feel guilty for rooting against the Cubs, Yankees, etc. No dice.
Yes, and I was born in the dark last night. I'm so naive I don't think McGwire did steroids and the Easter Bunny is real.
I'm not asking you to root against your team or trying to suggest rivalries aren't part of sports.

My point was just that why do people always relish in someone else's misery, even when it's unconnected to their own success or failure. If the Cardinals are tied with the Cubs you'd be rooting against the Cardinals if you didn't hope the Cubs lost. But I was too busy watching good baseball, enjoying Colorado's hot streak and lamenting the Cardinals woes to relish the Cubs loss. Woo they had 3 more post-season games than us but still got booted! Whoopee.

To suggest rooting against a team is wrong would be hypocritical and extremely naive. But that doesn't mean you have blast a teams fans and their coaching choices because you don't like them. I don't like USC or any team that makes a dynasty for that matter. Did I root against Ohio State in the Title Game last year? Or USC the year before? Bet your ass I did. But that doesn't mean after it was over I went around and rubbed in that teams face and blasted them for it. I'm not saying you can't root against Notre Dame, but is it necessary to make inflammatory derogatory posts about a team?
Popeye_Card wrote:As for the rest, I guess justify it in your mind however you want. Notre Dame hasn't beaten a legitimately good team in the Weis era since September 10th, 2005 when they beat Michigan. And now they're having their asses handed to them by any team they play. Weis may have an awesome eye for talent, and may be the best coach ever, but it certainly isn't showing up on the field.
Justifying my defense for your blatantly ignorant attack on a team and their coach that was undeserved? You are hardly more than a troll sometimes. You're ignorant blakent statements (Getting their asses handed to them by any team they play - Hmmm 2 points to Navy, 13 points to #4 BC is hardly getting your ass handed to you) display it. Correct they haven't beaten a BCS Bowl team in 2 years. Legitimately good is up for debate (I don't fancy MSU, Purdue, UCLA, Penn State last year bad teams).

I've never said he's best coach ever, the fact you insinuate anyone said it is again just trolling - I can't believe I even bother to respond to it. Correct it isn't showing up on the field. One big difference from Weis from Willingham and Davie is no prior college experience. Is it possible his eye for talent is great, but he hasn't quite grasped recruiting for his system? You can have the 5 best O-Linemen or the Best QB and Best WR but unless there is a level of trust and cooperation between them its worthless.
RC21 wrote:Verbatim, I said "without getting into the race thing". You didn't hear about the race thing. Calm down.
It wasn't directed at you, apologies. The mere fact you had to mention that you weren't going to get in to it says plenty about it. I feel that race had nothing to do with it but its still plastered on the media and around the country anyway.
RC21 wrote:Weis, Willingham, and Davie all had the same record, more or less, through three years. Thus far, only one of them has been fired. One is working on a contract extension that precludes him from being fired and the other, Davie, got two more years.
Weis got his Extenison during a 9 - 3 campaign where they technically beat the Defending National Champs. The program looked like it had turned a corner and they had the coach they wanted...what's wrong with extending him?
Davie was accepted because he was an assistant to Holtz and an 'insider'.
Ty had no connections with ND other than he was their second choice when the G-Tech left for lying on his resume. As far as I can tell Weis had interest and was available and they didn't like the way Ty was running the program. So they got the guy they wanted, when he succeeded they tried to lock up him. Then things went south. Oh well.

Yes all three had similar seasons after 3. Two were part of the ND circle prior to their Head Coaching job, one wasn't. The one that wasn't was fired. Might that explain it?

Davie went 7 - 6, 9 - 3 and 5 - 7 in his first 3 years. So his third season followed the teams First BCS game, and was 14-10 in two seasons. Ty was 11-11 in his second and third years. Under Ty ND lost by 30+ 5 times. Davie only let it happen once and in the previous 40 years it happened 3 other times.

All I'm trying to say is the Supposed-Weis worship is merely conjecture that is being projected. ND sucks this year. And all the ND fans I know are looking at how to fix it and why it's happening. Does Weis need another year or two to adjust to college or to running an entire team? Is Weis the problem and or correct solution? And I just feel like the constant berating of a college team and people who follow the team is uncalled for, childish and annoying.

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vinsanity wrote:
KyCardinalFan wrote:
It's not like any ND fan is walking around the board proclaiming how great they are and how much better than you they are, yet you still find the need to attack them?
There are enough ND grads in the world, one doesn't need to hear from them on this board.
Heh, fair enough and I can understand the sentiment. But the point was two fold:
1. There are jerk fans for every team. The Cardinals, Mizzou, ND and NYY. I think some people just excuse the behavior of their team.
2. It was unprovoked attack on Notre Dame in a thread about Nebraska. Why?
KyCardinalFan wrote:
But I'm glad we are such a classy group of people that we take sooooooo much pleasure in other teams (New York, Chicago, ND, Nebraska etc etc)
That's part of fandom and having your team (whoever they may be). Rivalries are a big part of sports, especially college sports.
ThatGuy wrote:Did you just start watching sports today? It's not exactly strange/wrong for fans of one team to enjoy the failures of another team.
Sorry, but I'm not going to feel guilty for rooting against the Cubs, Yankees, etc. No dice.
Yes, and I was born in the dark last night. I'm so naive I don't think McGwire did steroids and the Easter Bunny is real.
I'm not asking you to root against your team or trying to suggest rivalries aren't part of sports.

My point was just that why do people always relish in someone else's misery, even when it's unconnected to their own success or failure. If the Cardinals are tied with the Cubs you'd be rooting against the Cardinals if you didn't hope the Cubs lost. But I was too busy watching good baseball, enjoying Colorado's hot streak and lamenting the Cardinals woes to relish the Cubs loss. Woo they had 3 more post-season games than us but still got booted! Whoopee.

To suggest rooting against a team is wrong would be hypocritical and extremely naive. But that doesn't mean you have blast a teams fans and their coaching choices because you don't like them. I don't like USC or any team that makes a dynasty for that matter. Did I root against Ohio State in the Title Game last year? Or USC the year before? Bet your ass I did. But that doesn't mean after it was over I went around and rubbed in that teams face and blasted them for it. I'm not saying you can't root against Notre Dame, but is it necessary to make inflammatory derogatory posts about a team?
Popeye_Card wrote:As for the rest, I guess justify it in your mind however you want. Notre Dame hasn't beaten a legitimately good team in the Weis era since September 10th, 2005 when they beat Michigan. And now they're having their asses handed to them by any team they play. Weis may have an awesome eye for talent, and may be the best coach ever, but it certainly isn't showing up on the field.
Justifying my defense for your blatantly ignorant attack on a team and their coach that was undeserved? You are hardly more than a troll sometimes. You're ignorant blakent statements (Getting their asses handed to them by any team they play - Hmmm 2 points to Navy, 13 points to #4 BC is hardly getting your ass handed to you) display it. Correct they haven't beaten a BCS Bowl team in 2 years. Legitimately good is up for debate (I don't fancy MSU, Purdue, UCLA, Penn State last year bad teams).

I've never said he's best coach ever, the fact you insinuate anyone said it is again just trolling - I can't believe I even bother to respond to it. Correct it isn't showing up on the field. One big difference from Weis from Willingham and Davie is no prior college experience. Is it possible his eye for talent is great, but he hasn't quite grasped recruiting for his system? You can have the 5 best O-Linemen or the Best QB and Best WR but unless there is a level of trust and cooperation between them its worthless.
RC21 wrote:Verbatim, I said "without getting into the race thing". You didn't hear about the race thing. Calm down.
It wasn't directed at you, apologies. The mere fact you had to mention that you weren't going to get in to it says plenty about it. I feel that race had nothing to do with it but its still plastered on the media and around the country anyway.
RC21 wrote:Weis, Willingham, and Davie all had the same record, more or less, through three years. Thus far, only one of them has been fired. One is working on a contract extension that precludes him from being fired and the other, Davie, got two more years.
Weis got his Extenison during a 9 - 3 campaign where they technically beat the Defending National Champs. The program looked like it had turned a corner and they had the coach they wanted...what's wrong with extending him?
Davie was accepted because he was an assistant to Holtz and an 'insider'.
Ty had no connections with ND other than he was their second choice when the G-Tech left for lying on his resume. As far as I can tell Weis had interest and was available and they didn't like the way Ty was running the program. So they got the guy they wanted, when he succeeded they tried to lock up him. Then things went south. Oh well.

Yes all three had similar seasons after 3. Two were part of the ND circle prior to their Head Coaching job, one wasn't. The one that wasn't was fired. Might that explain it?

Davie went 7 - 6, 9 - 3 and 5 - 7 in his first 3 years. So his third season followed the teams First BCS game, and was 14-10 in two seasons. Ty was 11-11 in his second and third years. Under Ty ND lost by 30+ 5 times. Davie only let it happen once and in the previous 40 years it happened 3 other times.

All I'm trying to say is the Supposed-Weis worship is merely conjecture that is being projected. ND sucks this year. And all the ND fans I know are looking at how to fix it and why it's happening. Does Weis need another year or two to adjust to college or to running an entire team? Is Weis the problem and or correct solution? And I just feel like the constant berating of a college team and people who follow the team is uncalled for, childish and annoying.
do you like notre dame?

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omaha_red wrote:do you like notre dame?
What was your first clue? :P

My Great-Grandfather played under Knute Rockne with The Four Horseman.

My grandfather grew up a Notre Dame fan, my father the same. From about 2 hours south of South Bend. We are Irish and Catholic.

So yea, I was raised on ND football. So yea, I'm probably a little mroe defensive and offended at attacks on them than on Florida, Ohio State or USC. But the point still remains. I don't like IU, but a Purdue Win Loss or a Notre Damn Win Loss dictate much more of my feelings that week than an IU win or loss, or an OSU Win or Loss or a USC win or Loss.

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For whatever it's worth, I never disliked Notre Dame and even sort of pulled for them for a long time... until they fired Willingham. It just didn't seem right. Whether or not he was an insider... I mean, I'm not saying that it DIDN'T play a part. But it doesn't seem right to me that it played a part.

In terms of sports-hatred, ND is barely on the radar for me. They fall way below the Yankees, North Carolina, KU...

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RC21 wrote:For whatever it's worth, I never disliked Notre Dame and even sort of pulled for them for a long time... until they fired Willingham. It just didn't seem right. Whether or not he was an insider... I mean, I'm not saying that it DIDN'T play a part. But it doesn't seem right to me that it played a part.
And I won't say it's right. But a lot better coaches have had a lot better tenures with teams and gotten fired a lot quicker. The only justification is that Urban Meyer and Charlie Weis were available after taking Utah to a BCS game and New England to their third Super Bowl. Both ND alum. You could hardly argue with Urban Meyer or Weis as a coach, and if that's who they wanted - well they got em. If Girardi and Mattingly weren't waiting int he wings would Torre had been fired?

He was getting blown out and the program seemed to be getting worse, not better. I just fail to see any problem with firing for that.

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