RC21 wrote:Weis won with Willingham's players, so there's something to be said for Ty there.
Yeah, it's been mentioned many times, but I still think it's funny that one of the reasons given for Willingham being fired was that he couldn't recruit, and Weis was given all sorts of praise that he could recruit. Then Weis wins with Tyrone's players, and loses now that his own are playing.
More than anything, Weis was lauded for praise for almost beating USC. Never has a coach been given so much credit for a game he ultimately lost (at home).
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It says Willingham couldn't coach. Also, Davie kept his job for 5 (to ty's 3) and in his last season went 5-6 then Ty went 10-3 with Davie's players.
I'm sick of hearing the race thing. They weren't even their first choice, he was only hired after the G-Tech coach was caught lying! God Forbid ND hired an alumnus they wanted and extended him after he went 19-6 in two seasons.
I wasn't surprised that Willingham was fired at all. He'd been criticized for some time. But ND is fair game about "the race thing" because of its prior terrible history of hiring minority coaches--he was the first ever hired in any sport IN THE HISTORY OF THE SCHOOL. That's a worse record than several SEC schools. It's that prior history that led many observers to at least question the firing.
Again, for what it's worth, I thought the firing was fair. And I don't take pleasure in ND's misery--although I'm happy for Navy's fans, certainly.
RC21 wrote:Weis won with Willingham's players, so there's something to be said for Ty there.
Yeah, it's been mentioned many times, but I still think it's funny that one of the reasons given for Willingham being fired was that he couldn't recruit, and Weis was given all sorts of praise that he could recruit. Then Weis wins with Tyrone's players, and loses now that his own are playing.
More than anything, Weis was lauded for praise for almost beating USC. Never has a coach been given so much credit for a game he ultimately lost (at home).
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It says Willingham couldn't coach. Also, Davie kept his job for 5 (to ty's 3) and in his last season went 5-6 then Ty went 10-3 with Davie's players.
I'm sick of hearing the race thing. They weren't even their first choice, he was only hired after the G-Tech coach was caught lying! God Forbid ND hired an alumnus they wanted and extended him after he went 19-6 in two seasons.
I wasn't surprised that Willingham was fired at all. He'd been criticized for some time. But ND is fair game about "the race thing" because of its prior terrible history of hiring minority coaches--he was the first ever hired in any sport IN THE HISTORY OF THE SCHOOL. That's a worse record than several SEC schools. It's that prior history that led many observers to at least question the firing.
Again, for what it's worth, I thought the firing was fair. And I don't take pleasure in ND's misery--although I'm happy for Navy's fans, certainly.
So there are intelligent people to comment on the situation. I won't sit here and say that ND has been all fair about hiring minorities, but at the same time it's a Private School in Rural Indiana. Not saying it's an excuse, just saying. So if someone else had said the way they treat minorities is not historically fair and they need to do a better job of finding coaches in a fair way then I'd most likely agree.
But isn't it possible that part of the reason Willingham was hired was to break that strand of white coaches? Is it possible they saw an up and coming black coach, and saw their oppurtunity to make it a little better?
I just have no respect for the "Weis and Ty had similar records through 3 years, but Weis got an extension because he's white and Ty got fired because he's Black" It's a stupid, baseless argument.
