thrill wrote: If you know the difference, why accuse him of a personal attack when he was just attacking your posts?
By insulting my thought process, he's insulting me.
I don't mind being told that I'm wrong, and I don't mind people having different opinions. "Ignorant" isn't necessary, in my opinion. I guess he's free to say that my posts are ignorant, and I'm free to tell him that I don't appreciate it. And you're free to give us your interpretation, I guess.
wart57 wrote:I guess I am ignorant too, because too much of it seems violent and glorifies the wrong things, and I really don't have the time to wade through stuff I don't care for just to find something that is not glorifying drugs, violence, treating women likeke objects, being a pimp, and other such negative ideals. I also don't like a lot of other music because it is portraying the wrong things also. I am sorry if I don't want my daughter to hear this crap when we are out for a walk and some dude goes by with his music so loud I feel like my teath are going to shatter, but on the other hand if it is the type of music you like, listen too it. It is not up to me to decide what you should listen too.
Well said Wart. Like I mentioned earlier, I was checking out all this stuff on my teenage daughter's ipod, much of it downloaded on my dollar. Its crap plain and simple. I don't mind that other people like it, but do mind when that obnoxious junk is forced upon me-ruining my favorite bar. Its target audience is teenagers, no doubt. but then my 9 year old nephews ipod is loaded with it too. I can't help but think that they are the target audience.
I know this makes me sound like an old fuddy duddy that can't remember how the music I grew up with was not all wholesome either- satanic and drug-worshipping and objectifying women. But I never forced it on others and never never hoped my little sister would like it. The hip hop is different. It claims itself as a culture even- a culture of ?
I'm not arguing about anything. I'm telling you why I personally steer clear.......
but the way you're doing it is making you sound really ignorant
you're generalizing and stereotyping.. those things are bad.
I'm stating my opinion. That's all. It has nothing to do with you.
And I'd appreciate it if you stop implying that I'm ignorant. If you can't have a discussion without spewing personal insults, then I think that is "bad".
But you're not stating your opinion. If this was a discussion of musical aesthetics, sure, that's your opinion, how could we argue with that. But what you're doing is making a gross generalization of the "rap industry" that is based on your ignorance of the genre. It's false information, and it's unfair.
As it's been said, sure there are vulgar rappers out there, but it's a passive form of music, you don't have to listen to the vulgar ones. But for you to say they're all in the same "group" is a major over-generalization, and a somewhat dangerous one.
It would be like telling a parent "I don't like any kids, because most kids are brats"... while their kid is standing right there.
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you're also saying that there is NO vulgarity in country or pop music... WRONG.
you keep saying "in my opinion".. well.. in my opinion, people who generalize and
stereotype people or genres sound ignorant.
thrill wrote: If you know the difference, why accuse him of a personal attack when he was just attacking your posts?
By insulting my thought process, he's insulting me.
I don't mind being told that I'm wrong, and I don't mind people having different opinions. "Ignorant" isn't necessary, in my opinion. I guess he's free to say that my posts are ignorant, and I'm free to tell him that I don't appreciate it. And you're free to give us your interpretation, I guess.
Ok then.
You admit to knowing very little of rap, yet you are saying it is vulgar. By definition, that is an ignorant approach.
ig·no·rance /ˈɪgnərəns/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ig-ner-uhns] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
the state or fact of being ignorant; lack of knowledge, learning, information, etc.
thrill wrote: If you know the difference, why accuse him of a personal attack when he was just attacking your posts?
By insulting my thought process, he's insulting me.
I don't mind being told that I'm wrong, and I don't mind people having different opinions. "Ignorant" isn't necessary, in my opinion. I guess he's free to say that my posts are ignorant, and I'm free to tell him that I don't appreciate it. And you're free to give us your interpretation, I guess.
ignorant isn't a dirty word.. i'm not calling you stupid..
wart57 wrote:I guess I am ignorant too, because too much of it seems violent and glorifies the wrong things, and I really don't have the time to wade through stuff I don't care for just to find something that is not glorifying drugs, violence, treating women likeke objects, being a pimp, and other such negative ideals. I also don't like a lot of other music because it is portraying the wrong things also. I am sorry if I don't want my daughter to hear this crap when we are out for a walk and some dude goes by with his music so loud I feel like my teath are going to shatter, but on the other hand if it is the type of music you like, listen too it. It is not up to me to decide what you should listen too.
Well said Wart. Like I mentioned earlier, I was checking out all this stuff on my teenage daughter's ipod, much of it downloaded on my dollar. Its crap plain and simple. I don't mind that other people like it, but do mind when that obnoxious junk is forced upon me-ruining my favorite bar. Its target audience is teenagers, no doubt. but then my 9 year old nephews ipod is loaded with it too. I can't help but think that they are the target audience.
I know this makes me sound like an old fuddy duddy that can't remember how the music I grew up with was not all wholesome either- satanic and drug-worshipping and objectifying women. But I never forced it on others and never never hoped my little sister would like it. The hip hop is different. It claims itself as a culture even- a culture of ?
I simply don't see how hip hop is being "forced" on anyone? How is that even possible?
As prevalent as modern mass-media is, it's still largely distributed in a passive format - meaning, the choice to listen to it or not is YOURS, not anyone else's.
thrill wrote: If you know the difference, why accuse him of a personal attack when he was just attacking your posts?
By insulting my thought process, he's insulting me.
I don't mind being told that I'm wrong, and I don't mind people having different opinions. "Ignorant" isn't necessary, in my opinion. I guess he's free to say that my posts are ignorant, and I'm free to tell him that I don't appreciate it. And you're free to give us your interpretation, I guess.
ignorant isn't a dirty word.. i'm not calling you stupid..
I am calling you ( omaha) stupid, but I do that all the time.....
I'm not arguing about anything. I'm telling you why I personally steer clear.......
but the way you're doing it is making you sound really ignorant
you're generalizing and stereotyping.. those things are bad.
I'm stating my opinion. That's all. It has nothing to do with you.
And I'd appreciate it if you stop implying that I'm ignorant. If you can't have a discussion without spewing personal insults, then I think that is "bad".
But you're not stating your opinion. If this was a discussion of musical aesthetics, sure, that's your opinion, how could we argue with that. But what you're doing is making a gross generalization of the "rap industry" that is based on your ignorance of the genre. It's false information, and it's unfair.
As it's been said, sure there are vulgar rappers out there, but it's a passive form of music, you don't have to listen to the vulgar ones. But for you to say they're all in the same "group" is a major over-generalization, and a somewhat dangerous one.
It would be like telling a parent "I don't like any kids, because most kids are brats"... while their kid is standing right there.
No, it would be more like someone asking me if I like the kids who hang out in the park at night, after the park had been vandalized repeatedly. My opinion would be no, I don't like them....... but I'm sure there are some find kids that hang out in the park at night. Saying "I don't like kids" would be like saying "I dont' like music", and that's not true.
I'm well aware that not all rappers are vulgar. The ones who are have turned me off to that genre of music. I'm not knowledgable enough to differentiate the good from the bad, so I just steer clear of all of it. That doesn't mean it's all bad.
