Champions Club Section at the stadium.

[cardinalkarp]

I couldn't help but laugh last night when they were describing that area on TV. They were advertising all of the flat screen TV's they have in there.

So basically, I'm paying $120 (or $140) to rent a bunch of flat screen TV's to watch something that's going on right in front of me anyway. Uh... I'll pass.

Yeah, I didn't get the point of all the flat screens everywhere. They had six 50 inch plasmas right next to eachother. They were playing some other games on there as well but I came to watch the Cardinal game which obviously doesn't take precedence in that area which is why the view sucks.

Like I said, never again.

edit : If they would've advertised them as what they actually are/were (glorified party room) I would've never bought them.

[JL21]

I couldn't help but laugh last night when they were describing that area on TV. They were advertising all of the flat screen TV's they have in there.

So basically, I'm paying $120 (or $140) to rent a bunch of flat screen TV's to watch something that's going on right in front of me anyway. Uh... I'll pass.

Yeah, the talk of the flat screens confused me. They're nice for being able to see replays, but do you really need 40 of them? Wouldn't one or two huge projector screens do the trick for much less?

Exactly. And really... you go to the game to watch the game IN PERSON. If you wanted to watch the game on TV, save $120 and plop your fatass on your couch.

[omaha_red]

I haven't sat in the BOA area so I'm not sure what that buffett looks like.

I prefer to watch the games down in the seats, but I like the option of the club rooms too. .

that doesn't surprise me

[jim]

I couldn't help but laugh last night when they were describing that area on TV. They were advertising all of the flat screen TV's they have in there.

So basically, I'm paying $120 (or $140) to rent a bunch of flat screen TV's to watch something that's going on right in front of me anyway. Uh... I'll pass.

No kidding.

Thanks for the heads up karp. It's taken me two full seasons to really come to the conclusion that I just really dislike this new park plain and simple, and I don't think my opinion is going to change over time. Thousands of respectable seats have been replaced with these club sections, and all that is left is to sit in the nosebleeds or sit in these things.

[Popeye_Card]

Thanks for the heads up karp. It's taken me two full seasons to really come to the conclusion that I just really dislike this new park plain and simple, and I don't think my opinion is going to change over time. Thousands of respectable seats have been replaced with these club sections, and all that is left is to sit in the nosebleeds or sit in these things.

The overall design of the park I like much better than Busch II.

But the seating areas and pricing do leave a lot to be desired. I'm guessing though if Busch II was still standing, it would have been renovated to have these same sections though, and the prices would have been just as high by now. That's just baseball (and sports in general) business these days.

[jim]

Thanks for the heads up karp. It's taken me two full seasons to really come to the conclusion that I just really dislike this new park plain and simple, and I don't think my opinion is going to change over time. Thousands of respectable seats have been replaced with these club sections, and all that is left is to sit in the nosebleeds or sit in these things.

The overall design of the park I like much better than Busch II.

But the seating areas and pricing do leave a lot to be desired. I'm guessing though if Busch II was still standing, it would have been renovated to have these same sections though, and the prices would have been just as high by now. That's just baseball (and sports in general) business these days.

That's pretty much the most important thing for me. I want to access to respectable seating at a fair price. I like the open outfield, I like the arch/courthouse views. There are things I do like about it - but overall a big thumbs down from me.

And I don't know if it is just baseball popeye. I've heard raves about PNC from every person that has been there, and similiarly with Comerica. I've never had a bad seat at Wrigley, and the one time I went to Fenway as close as I was to the field those would be labeled box seats at B3 (they were not box at Fenway).

And the advertisments are just a seizure inducing potpourri of intense graphical overload to the senses that look just as bad this year. I went to 5 games last year and I still couldn't find stuff I wanted on the scoreboards.

I thought the first few visits I was just emotionally attached to the old place, but that' s not it anymore. I genuinely do not like the place.

[cardinalkarp]

I'll have to give a big thumbs down to the crowd as well last night. Yeah it was cold, yeah it was rescheduled but GD its Opening Day and we're down by 1 run w/ two innings left. I would say 1/2 the crowd left after the top of the 8th and another 1/4 left after the top of the 9th, it was pathetic.

[Popeye_Card]

And I don't know if it is just baseball popeye. I've heard raves about PNC from every person that has been there, and similiarly with Comerica. I've never had a bad seat at Wrigley, and the one time I went to Fenway as close as I was to the field those would be labeled box seats at B3 (they were not box at Fenway).

Keep in mind the economic factors for each of these cases.

PNC is very nice (I've been there), but it seats only 38,000. Seats are cheap and there are few "premium" areas because there is very little demand for Pirates tickets. They support a payroll of less than $50 million. If the Cardinals stink for nearly 20 years and slash payroll, we could have a nice affordable park like this too.

It costs $36 to sit in the Wrigley bleachers now for "regular games". Given, because of the history or whatever, those are "prime seats", but their prices across the board are higher than Busch, and wheels are already in motion to "modernize" Wrigley in terms of advertising, etc.

Fenway has the highest average ticket prices in the majors. They keep sticking premium seating anywhere they can. First they glassed in the area behind home plate. Then seats on the Monster. Then the roof deck seats. I'm sure more and more advertising will find it's way into Fenway too.

I don't think Busch III is the best ballpark in the majors. I think the seating and pricing sucks, and I rarely go to games anymore. But I realize that's the nature of the beast. You can't just build a Fenway or Wrigley and suddenly have 90+ years of tradition. Baseball is too popular in St. Louis to build a PNC. If the Cardinals have a $100 million payroll, they have to make that money somehow. Do the average fans get squeezed? Of course. But it's not all bad--with HD, watching games for free at home gets better and better each year.

[Popeye_Card]

I'll have to give a big thumbs down to the crowd as well last night. Yeah it was cold, yeah it was rescheduled but GD its Opening Day and we're down by 1 run w/ two innings left. I would say 1/2 the crowd left after the top of the 8th and another 1/4 left after the top of the 9th, it was pathetic.

I am bracing for really bad crowds this season. They've been bad in recent years when they were at least winning most of the time. I don't think a lot of the bandwagoners can handle the losing.

As much as anything, I'm hoping this down year washes away some of the chaff in the fanbase.

[cardinalkarp]

I'll have to give a big thumbs down to the crowd as well last night. Yeah it was cold, yeah it was rescheduled but GD its Opening Day and we're down by 1 run w/ two innings left. I would say 1/2 the crowd left after the top of the 8th and another 1/4 left after the top of the 9th, it was pathetic.

I am bracing for really bad crowds this season. They've been bad in recent years when they were at least winning most of the time. I don't think a lot of the bandwagoners can handle the losing.

As much as anything, I'm hoping this down year washes away some of the chaff in the fanbase.

Hopefully something happens because the "average fan" is looking to be pretty sorry.

That along w/ these two idiots in front of us (a guy and a girl) that had to literally SCREAM every persons name when they came to bat along w/ a shrieking woo hoo from the girl as it rang off the concrete overhang.