Alicia Keys is a conspiracy nut

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Arthur Dent wrote:Not all the crazy conspiracy theories are false. Much of the government/establishment was terrified by the social movements of 60's and did what they could to try and destroy them. That included covert action, most notoriously the FBI's COINTELPRO program. This included, for example, an effort to try and get MLK Jr. to commit suicide by forging a letter supposedly from a supporter threating to expose King's marital infidelity. That's only a small example. Many strange and messed up things were going on.

I don't believe that gangster rap is a government plot, but unfortunately, there's enough truth to similar stories to make people believe this sort of thing.
The government has engaged in these sorts of things in the past but by and large they seem to go nowhere. Sometimes these conspiracy theories give government espionage way too much credit. I mean, Al Queda wouldn't stand a chance if the government were really as good at secret-mind-population control-ops as some people think they are.

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Shoot man, everybody knows the CIA helped introduce crack to the streets of LA and Oakland back in the late 80s.

Whitney Houston was on that action from day 1.

That's all for now, I gotta get my tinfoil hat back on or the man might track me down with his black helicopters.

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thrill wrote:I would get on her so quick.
have you ever seen her standing up and not behind the piano. I mean lovely voice and lovely face but it looks like she has a piano bench attached to her ass. I mean her hips are so wide she could basically carry triplets down there no problem.

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Fan_In_NY wrote:
thrill wrote:I would get on her so quick.
have you ever seen her standing up and not behind the piano. I mean lovely voice and lovely face but it looks like she has a piano bench attached to her ass. I mean her hips are so wide she could basically carry triplets down there no problem.
...and?

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At least she is ridiculously stupid hot. I mean the things I would do to her...

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There ain't nothing wrong with that.

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Perhaps Mr. Obama could weigh in on Ms. Keys views.

Seriously.

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ghostrunner wrote:
Arthur Dent wrote:Not all the crazy conspiracy theories are false. Much of the government/establishment was terrified by the social movements of 60's and did what they could to try and destroy them. That included covert action, most notoriously the FBI's COINTELPRO program. This included, for example, an effort to try and get MLK Jr. to commit suicide by forging a letter supposedly from a supporter threating to expose King's marital infidelity. That's only a small example. Many strange and messed up things were going on.

I don't believe that gangster rap is a government plot, but unfortunately, there's enough truth to similar stories to make people believe this sort of thing.
I don't see the similarity. The suggestion is that huge numbers of individual artists were either fooled or were complicit in this, despite numerous intelligent explanations of the genre over the years from those same artists. She's being lazy and completely ignorant of evidence in this case.
The similarity is that there really was a government conspiracy to suppress black political organization. We know about it because it's well documented. As far as I can tell Keys' story is just made up and not particularly plausible, but on a superficial level, it seems more reasonable because of the real historical events.
doe_boy wrote:Shoot man, everybody knows the CIA helped introduce crack to the streets of LA and Oakland back in the late 80s.
Unfortunately, this story is also not so crazy. As part of its efforts to illegally provide aide to the Nicaraguan contras, the CIA approved the rebels trafficking in drugs.

The fact that some of these crazy stories are actually true makes it easier to believe the ones that are not.

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ghostrunner wrote:
Arthur Dent wrote:Not all the crazy conspiracy theories are false. Much of the government/establishment was terrified by the social movements of 60's and did what they could to try and destroy them. That included covert action, most notoriously the FBI's COINTELPRO program. This included, for example, an effort to try and get MLK Jr. to commit suicide by forging a letter supposedly from a supporter threating to expose King's marital infidelity. That's only a small example. Many strange and messed up things were going on.

I don't believe that gangster rap is a government plot, but unfortunately, there's enough truth to similar stories to make people believe this sort of thing.
I don't see the similarity. The suggestion is that huge numbers of individual artists were either fooled or were complicit in this, despite numerous intelligent explanations of the genre over the years from those same artists. She's being lazy and completely ignorant of evidence in this case.

The only thing she's right about is that the media fueled the feud, which is also true of any high profile feud.
Her primary mistake is that the sound and fury of the marketplace is carefully controlled by a few, when it signifies nothing.

Still, she doesn't have to believe that the individual artists are part of the conspiracy, just that certain kinds of music are selected and promoted to the detriment of others. Inside the rhetoric of conspiracy is a lament over media control and responsibility, and that lament is over a century old.

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Arthur Dent wrote:
doe_boy wrote:Shoot man, everybody knows the CIA helped introduce crack to the streets of LA and Oakland back in the late 80s.
Unfortunately, this story is also not so crazy. As part of its efforts to illegally provide aide to the Nicaraguan contras, the CIA approved the rebels trafficking in drugs.

The fact that some of these crazy stories are actually true makes it easier to believe the ones that are not.
The CIA's involvement with drug trafficking, or supporting drug dealers, goes as far back as the Vietnam era in Southeast Asia. I doubt they purposefully funneled drugs into the inner-city to "keep the black man down", but the drug industry they laundered money through was certainly supported by them, and in turn supplied the demand America's inner-cities had for drugs. So yeah, there is some truth to those crazy stories.

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GatewaySnayke wrote:
Fan_In_NY wrote:
thrill wrote:I would get on her so quick.
have you ever seen her standing up and not behind the piano. I mean lovely voice and lovely face but it looks like she has a piano bench attached to her ass. I mean her hips are so wide she could basically carry triplets down there no problem.
...and?
I mean maybe it was a widescreen HD TV that made i look like that, but heres one pic, not necessarily the best but I found it quick...

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