A woman calling an NBA playoff game

[lukethedrifter]

^ Of course that is a very valid point, clement. And that is why I wrote that I am not used to it. Yet. Not that I am unwilling to adjust my ears as to what sounds "right."
But it also helps to point out that everyone who isn't on the cutting edge of social progress isn't merely a racist. It takes time for humans to adjust to change.

[jim]

This thread is a good example of how hard it is for women and minorities to get jobs in areas where they haven't traditionally been represented.

I imagine the first time there was a woman news anchor many people reacted this way too. I wonder how people reacted to Jackie Robinson when he first joined the Dodgers.

Anyone thinks Hilary Clinton doesn't face this issue?

I agree with you about Clinton. But you are trying to lump apples and oranges. We discriminate all of the time on a persons voice for an announcer, it's a key part of their job. I like John Miller, don't like Tim McCarver. I'm discriminating against mid-southern accents for that job. I'm sure everyone would agree that Pavarotti had a great voice, but do you want to hear some guy with a heavy Italian accent doing a Cardinals game over say, Jack Buck?

I guess I'm just wondering what is wrong with saying you don't like the sound and cadence of a feminine voice in announcing sports?

[MrCrowesGarden]

This thread is a good example of how hard it is for women and minorities to get jobs in areas where they haven't traditionally been represented.

I imagine the first time there was a woman news anchor many people reacted this way too. I wonder how people reacted to Jackie Robinson when he first joined the Dodgers.

Anyone thinks Hilary Clinton doesn't face this issue?

I agree with you about Clinton. But you are trying to lump apples and oranges. We discriminate all of the time on a persons voice for an announcer, it's a key part of their job. I like John Miller, don't like Tim McCarver. I'm discriminating against mid-southern accents for that job. I'm sure everyone would agree that Pavarotti had a great voice, but do you want to hear some guy with a heavy Italian accent doing a Cardinals game over say, Jack Buck?

I guess I'm just wondering what is wrong with saying you don't like the sound and cadence of a feminine voice in announcing sports?

There's plenty of females I wouldn't want to listen to calling a game (I'll take the obvious road and say Fran Drescher). But, I don't think it's fair to say I don't like all feminine voices just yet. It's awkward for me hearing one, but I'm not put off necessarily.

I know this doesn't totally relate to what you're asking jim, and you make a fair point, but I just wanted to point out there's a difference between "different; might take some getting used to" to "just plain awful."

[JL21]

But that is probably my vagina talking.

Does it have teeth?

[clement]

Yeah all I'm saying is that the reason it doesn't sound right on our ears is because we aren't accustomed to it. Not saying it's because we're sexist or mysognist or whatever. Before this there weren't any female sports casters. And before that there weren't any female news anchors. I guess it's possible that even after years of hearing women announce baseball games some people might still not like the female voice announcing sports. But my guess is that preference would disappear and the perceived quality of a woman announcing a baseball game would be based on her voice and her ability to call a good game and entertain.

This made me think of something... with all of the players in the Majors from Latin America, I wonder when some Latin players who have heavy Spanish accents will get some of these announcing gigs. It's an interesting question since jim mentioned the guy with the thick Italian accent. Would you react negatively to a guy calling the game who had a thick Spanish accent, even if his English is technically and gramatically perfect, he has a good voice, provides good analysis, and is entertaining?

[jim]

Yeah all I'm saying is that the reason it doesn't sound right on our ears is because we aren't accustomed to it. Not saying it's because we're sexist or mysognist or whatever. Before this there weren't any female sports casters. And before that there weren't any female news anchors. I guess it's possible that even after years of hearing women announce baseball games some people might still not like the female voice announcing sports. But my guess is that preference would disappear and the perceived quality of a woman announcing a baseball game would be based on her voice and her ability to call a good game and entertain.

This made me think of something... with all of the players in the Majors from Latin America, I wonder when some Latin players who have heavy Spanish accents will get some of these announcing gigs. It's an interesting question since jim mentioned the guy with the thick Italian accent. Would you react negatively to a guy calling the game who had a thick Spanish accent, even if his English is technically and gramatically perfect, he has a good voice, provides good analysis, and is entertaining?

I would not(react negatively), because there are so many Spanish speaking men in the game. It would fit. Some guy with strong German accent - no I would not want it. Some lady with a soft and feminine accent - no I would not want it.

[GatewaySnayke]

And I would be open to a woman doing PBP or color just so long as the person they are replacing sucks. For example, if Woman A is better than Tim McCarver or Joe Morgan (and that wouldn't be too hard because I'd wager that 95 percent of GRB is more capable than those two dimwits) then by all means.

But they shouldn't be adding women just because. I've heard Doris Burke and I'm not impressed.

So mediocre women have less right to a job than mediocre men?

No, what I ACTUALLY said was that we should harvest women in an underground lair and use them only for breeding and the occasional schtupping.

[thrill]

And I would be open to a woman doing PBP or color just so long as the person they are replacing sucks. For example, if Woman A is better than Tim McCarver or Joe Morgan (and that wouldn't be too hard because I'd wager that 95 percent of GRB is more capable than those two dimwits) then by all means.

But they shouldn't be adding women just because. I've heard Doris Burke and I'm not impressed.

So mediocre women have less right to a job than mediocre men?

No, what I ACTUALLY said was that we should harvest women in an underground lair and use them only for breeding and the occasional schtupping.

Underground? No way, then they'll be all pale and stuff.

[GatewaySnayke]

This thread is a good example of how hard it is for women and minorities to get jobs in areas where they haven't traditionally been represented.

I imagine the first time there was a woman news anchor many people reacted this way too. I wonder how people reacted to Jackie Robinson when he first joined the Dodgers.

I love it when threads become a microcosm of everything that is wrong with America.

[stlouie_lipp]

My opinion has nothing to do with keeping women out of sports or erecting a barrier to their employment in a field that is not traditional (as many here seem to think and accuse me of being sexist or racist). As I said, it has to do with a commentator's "cred" in what they say. To me, not playing or coaching in the NBA means she has none, and thus, I don't want to hear her do the color to the game any more than I'd want to hear my dad doing it.