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1. Was the Democratic party plagued by sexism a year ago when you were the choice of 70% of likely Democratic voters? Was the media radically sexist a year ago when they were treating you as the presumptive Democratic nominee? If not, how did we all get so sexist so fast?

2. You aren't winning any god-damned popular vote and nobody is stupid enough to fall for that line, so drop it.

3. Stop trying to tell us that you are the candidate best-equipped to beat the Republicans in November. You managed to blow what looked like a sure nomination with an ineffective fund-raising effort and a disastrous campaign strategy. Maybe if you traded staffs with Obama or there was a contagious outbreak of administrative competence among your staff you could win an election, but your primary campaign was a slapstick misadventure and I wouldn't trust you to right the ship even if by some miracle you did win the nomination.

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++. For me, its a bad case of Slick Willie fatigue. The more I saw him campaigning for her, the more I remembered I'd had enough of him the last go round and I'm not looking forward to another 4-8 years.

I bet Hillary would be polling better if she'd divorced him when she could and should have.

cpebbles wrote:1. Was the Democratic party plagued by sexism a year ago when you were the choice of 70% of likely Democratic voters? Was the media radically sexist a year ago when they were treating you as the presumptive Democratic nominee? If not, how did we all get so sexist so fast?

2. You aren't winning any god-damned popular vote and nobody is stupid enough to fall for that line, so drop it.

3. Stop trying to tell us that you are the candidate best-equipped to beat the Republicans in November. You managed to blow what looked like a sure nomination with an ineffective fund-raising effort and a disastrous campaign strategy. Maybe if you traded staffs with Obama or there was a contagious outbreak of administrative competence among your staff you could win an election, but your primary campaign was a slapstick misadventure and I wouldn't trust you to right the ship even if by some miracle you did win the nomination.

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I don't follow the nomination races closely at all, but even I know that Hillary's doing nothing but harm to the party and its chances in November at this point.

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Cronos69 wrote:I don't follow the nomination races closely at all, but even I know that Hillary's doing nothing but harm to the party and its chances in November at this point.
It will be interesting to see how she and Bill concedes to Obama and how much they support him at the Convention and beyond. If she insists on trying to seat the Florida and Michigan delegations and makes trouble right up to the convention, they should boot her from the party. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. But then, nothing new on that score - this is the Democratic party after all.

And I hope, no matter what, they don't put her in as VP. Then you'd get all the people that won't vote for a black PLUS all the people that won't vote for a woman or a Clinton against you in November!

I'm hoping for an Obama / Jim Webb ticket. They would be unstoppable IMO.

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Joe Shlabotnik wrote:
Cronos69 wrote:I don't follow the nomination races closely at all, but even I know that Hillary's doing nothing but harm to the party and its chances in November at this point.
It will be interesting to see how she and Bill concedes to Obama and how much they support him at the Convention and beyond. If she insists on trying to seat the Florida and Michigan delegations and makes trouble right up to the convention, they should boot her from the party. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. But then, nothing new on that score - this is the Democratic party after all.

And I hope, no matter what, they don't put her in as VP. Then you'd get all the people that won't vote for a black PLUS all the people that won't vote for a woman or a Clinton against you in November!

I'm hoping for an Obama / Jim Webb ticket. They would be unstoppable IMO.
I have a couple concerns about Webb:

1) A ticket with two senators on it worries me.
2) Webb is on his 3rd wife and Obama doesn't need another reason for women to not like him
3) Webb wrote an article in '79 about why "Women can't fight". He has the war background (Vietnam, Navy Cross, etc.), but the sexist angle might be too much to overcome.

I say he's appointed head of the senate armed services committee.

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Clinton seems to ascribe to the belief that if you keep saying things enough they become true regardless of how completely off they are.

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Hillary just won't take "no" for an answer.

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JackofDiamonds wrote:
I have a couple concerns about Webb:

1) A ticket with two senators on it worries me.
2) Webb is on his 3rd wife and Obama doesn't need another reason for women to not like him
3) Webb wrote an article in '79 about why "Women can't fight". He has the war background (Vietnam, Navy Cross, etc.), but the sexist angle might be too much to overcome.

I say he's appointed head of the senate armed services committee.
I didn't know that about his past. Thanks for the info. I like the ex-GOP, ex-defense department, decorated veteran angle. And he fought a good hard fight against George Allen in Va. and came out on top. He could help deliver Va. but as you point out, at what cost? Who else would be good I wonder?

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hillary has the personality of a used car salesman without the charm,I wouldn't vote for her if she was running all by herself.

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