RxOfCowbell wrote:
More power to you. That's why we have a democracy. But if Obama is such your dream guy, why would you even watch tonight? To laugh at your opponent? I'm not trying to be condescending, it's a genuine question.
I always listen to both (all) sides.
This is a republic. Why would I not?
I totally agree. It's just that some people fail to see that a lot, dare i say the majority, of accusations and faults one can find in the other party, can also be found in their own party.
So if PujolJunkie wants to vote for Obama because that's what he believes, i'm not going to try to convince him otherwise. Just watch the speech for crying out loud. I dont think the GOP meant it to be some revolutionary speech. Just letting America get to know the VP candidate a little bit.
I think it says something about Barack Obama when you watch his speeches and then you're constantly let down by every speech that follows.
The man I support delivers a damn-near revolutionary speech for politics every single time out. The expectations are high for me.
you're 100% right and this is one of the reasons i totally wouldn't mind seeing Obama as president. But to say that because his exceptional speech giving abilities aren't replicated on the other side, they're not substantial? Hmm.
I don't see substance in constantly bringing others down by demeaning their service and their family. Two shots at Michelle Obama tonight. Countless attacks on Barack's community service. I'm sorry, that's not the type of thing that inspires me.
RxOfCowbell wrote:
More power to you. That's why we have a democracy. But if Obama is such your dream guy, why would you even watch tonight? To laugh at your opponent? I'm not trying to be condescending, it's a genuine question.
I always listen to both (all) sides.
This is a republic. Why would I not?
I totally agree. It's just that some people fail to see that a lot, dare i say the majority, of accusations and faults one can find in the other party, can also be found in their own party.
So if PujolJunkie wants to vote for Obama because that's what he believes, i'm not going to try to convince him otherwise. Just watch the speech for crying out loud. I dont think the GOP meant it to be some revolutionary speech. Just letting America get to know the VP candidate a little bit.
I think it says something about Barack Obama when you watch his speeches and then you're constantly let down by every speech that follows.
The man I support delivers a damn-near revolutionary speech for politics every single time out. The expectations are high for me.
Hype meet berbole
Damn near revolutionary speech for politics every time out? I forgot my boots tonight, lemme go get em
The 2004 Keynote Speech
The New Hampshire Speech
The Race Relations Speech
The Nomination Speech.
You're telling me that none of these changed anything?
I loved the race relations speech, and it probably changed my mind in his favor. But I doubt any of these speeches changed anything in the big picture. The nomination speech was fairly boring in the way convention speeches typically are.
I don't think a lot of the right actually care about gay marriage. It's a hot button issue and something pushed on them by powerful evangelicals. Which is too bad.
I'd like a legit libertarian candidate. Is that ever going to happen?
RxOfCowbell wrote:
More power to you. That's why we have a democracy. But if Obama is such your dream guy, why would you even watch tonight? To laugh at your opponent? I'm not trying to be condescending, it's a genuine question.
I always listen to both (all) sides.
This is a republic. Why would I not?
I totally agree. It's just that some people fail to see that a lot, dare i say the majority, of accusations and faults one can find in the other party, can also be found in their own party.
So if PujolJunkie wants to vote for Obama because that's what he believes, i'm not going to try to convince him otherwise. Just watch the speech for crying out loud. I dont think the GOP meant it to be some revolutionary speech. Just letting America get to know the VP candidate a little bit.
I think it says something about Barack Obama when you watch his speeches and then you're constantly let down by every speech that follows.
The man I support delivers a damn-near revolutionary speech for politics every single time out. The expectations are high for me.
you're 100% right and this is one of the reasons i totally wouldn't mind seeing Obama as president. But to say that because his exceptional speech giving abilities aren't replicated on the other side, they're not substantial? Hmm.
I don't see substance in constantly bringing others down by demeaning their service and their family. Two shots at Michelle Obama tonight. Countless attacks on Barack's community service. I'm sorry, that's not the type of thing that inspires me.
To me, only idiot Giuliani put down his community service, and honestly idk if it was intentional or not.
all Palin said about the subject was that, at that level, a Mayor is much more experienced than a community helper. i don't think you can argue with that.
haltz wrote:I don't think a lot of the right actually care about gay marriage. It's a hot button issue and something pushed on them by powerful evangelicals. Which is too bad.
I'd like a legit libertarian candidate. Is that ever going to happen?
haltz wrote:I don't think a lot of the right actually care about gay marriage. It's a hot button issue and something pushed on them by powerful evangelicals. Which is too bad.
I'd like a legit libertarian candidate. Is that ever going to happen?
They used it as one of their key issues in '04.
No, this is 2 party system.
I should also add that I enjoy talking this partially because of how uncomfortable people are about talking about it, similar to bringing up race (not in a political sense) b/c that uneasy feeling it generates.
Let it be known I disagree with Obama on gay marriage, he offers a pedal instead of a flower and there isn't an excuse for that, except catering.
RxOfCowbell wrote:
More power to you. That's why we have a democracy. But if Obama is such your dream guy, why would you even watch tonight? To laugh at your opponent? I'm not trying to be condescending, it's a genuine question.
I always listen to both (all) sides.
This is a republic. Why would I not?
I totally agree. It's just that some people fail to see that a lot, dare i say the majority, of accusations and faults one can find in the other party, can also be found in their own party.
So if PujolJunkie wants to vote for Obama because that's what he believes, i'm not going to try to convince him otherwise. Just watch the speech for crying out loud. I dont think the GOP meant it to be some revolutionary speech. Just letting America get to know the VP candidate a little bit.
I think it says something about Barack Obama when you watch his speeches and then you're constantly let down by every speech that follows.
The man I support delivers a damn-near revolutionary speech for politics every single time out. The expectations are high for me.
you're 100% right and this is one of the reasons i totally wouldn't mind seeing Obama as president. But to say that because his exceptional speech giving abilities aren't replicated on the other side, they're not substantial? Hmm.
I don't see substance in constantly bringing others down by demeaning their service and their family. Two shots at Michelle Obama tonight. Countless attacks on Barack's community service. I'm sorry, that's not the type of thing that inspires me.
Yes, because the democrats do NO attacking..
Gimme a freaking break already
I never said that. Don't put words in my mouth. The democrats have been criticized continually because they're the passive party, they didn't attack attack attack during the DNC. They don't attack Cindy McCain. They don't question the patriotism or integrity of John McCain. They don't make it a personal issue. They don't scare the [expletive] out of people for votes. The only "personal" issue that the Democrats brought up during the DNC was about John McCain's 7-10 houses. And that's only because McCain painted Obama as an elitist, but couldn't remember how many houses he has. Yeah, the Democrats attack. Based on issues and the disastrous policies that have brought this country down in the past 8 years. They don't attack spouses. They don't attack patriotism. I saw 100% more red meat in ONE SINGLE speech tonight than I saw in an entire convention from the Democrats.
UK wrote:Let it be known I disagree with Obama on gay marriage, he offers a pedal instead of a flower and there isn't an excuse for that, except catering.
I agree.
Nate's back with more:
The way to evaluate a speech like this is by what people are going to remember in the morning, and the only thing that people are going to remember about this speech in the morning is that she went after Obama -- a lot -- and that at times it it seemed fairly personal. It was almost kind of fun at first -- I don't think people saw it coming, and she got three or four really good lines in. But then it became too much -- sarcastic and mean-spirited. Everything else -- the outsider stuff, the family stuff, the media critique -- is going to be forgotten about. In fact, the Republicans will look like whiners if they go after the media after that speech.
I don't think the Republicans are doing as good a job as the Democrats were doing about pairing their speeches to the strengths of the speaker. It's as if they wrote seven or eight speeches, and drew lots to determine who would deliver which one. So you have Mitt Romney -- one of the wealthiest men ever to run for office -- critiquing east-coast elitism, and Mike Huckabee -- who is an economic populist in disguise -- critiquing big government, and Sarah Palin -- who voters don't know one iota about -- critiquing Barack Obama's biography.
