Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin

[Fat Strat]

Obama's colleagues haven't done said or done anything nearly as inflammatory as what we saw this week. You're surely not going to deny that this week has been a childish display of mockery on the part of the Republicans, are you?

That attacks on Palin weren't inflammatory? The public vetting of her?

You can come right back and say, "but those things are true!" Well, the vast majority of what most of the speakers at the republican convention said were true as well. It's just that you didn't like it anymore than I liked the public vetting of Palin. Also, keep in mind, and I've said this a dozen times, what you consider an attack on your candidate won't seem like an attack to another person. All of that comes from which side of the aisle you sit on and your opinions on various topics, from the war to drilling to taxes.

I've already complimented both major candidates for keeping it largely above board, and frankly, I don't pay a whole lot of attention to the mud slinging on either side. You didn't see me on here touting Guiliani and rubbing his speech in people's noses. You also don't see me on here pointing out lies from the left or smear tactics from whoever or whatever someone might have said.

[Socnorb11]

Obama co-authored a bill for ethics reform that was called the most sweeping ethics reform law ever to pass in Washington:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...

Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) and Representative Adam Schiff (D-CA) announced that a provision authored by Obama and Senator Hagel (R-NE) in the Senate and advanced by Schiff in the House requiring a comprehensive nuclear threat reduction plan passed as part of the omnibus appropriations bill. This provision requires the President to submit to Congress a comprehensive plan for ensuring that all nuclear weapons and weapons-usable material at vulnerable sites around the world are secure by 2012 from the threats that terrorists have shown they can pose. The Senate passed the omnibus appropriations bill last night and the House approved the same bill today. (12/20/07)

In 2006, Congress passed a Veterans Affairs Committee bill which included several provisions originating in Obama's SAVE Act (S. 1180) and Homes for Heroes Act (S. 3475). "The legislation...includes a number of proposals from legislation Senator Obama had previously introduced (S.1180, the SAVE Act and S.3475 the Homes for Heroes Act) to expand and improve services for homeless veterans. The bill permanently authorizes and increases funding to $130 million per year for a competitive grant program to provide homeless services to veterans. It greatly increases a successful program to provide rental vouchers to homeless veterans. The legislation extends programs to providing treatment for veterans with mental illnesses and other special needs. And it permanently extends VA's ability to transfer property it owns to homeless shelters.

Legislation authored by U.S. Senators Barack Obama (D-IL) and Tom Coburn, M.D. (R-OK) that will stop the abuse of no-bid contracting in the aftermath of a disaster was included in the final Department of Homeland Security funding bill likely to pass the Senate today. After Senate passage, the bill will go to the President's desk to be signed into law...After Hurricane Katrina, the Federal Emergency Management Agency used emergency authority to enter into open-ended, no-bid contracts. What was meant to be temporary stop-gap authority ballooned into wasteful contracts that lasted many months and wasted significant federal resources. Obama and Coburn legislation will stop this practice by restricting the use of emergency contracting authority only to urgent needs in the immediate response to emergencies...On three separate occasions, Obama and Coburn have passed legislation in the Senate that would end no-bid contracting with Gulf Coast reconstruction funds. Legislation that would have specifically prohibited no-bid contracts with Gulf Coast reconstruction was stripped from a previously passed funding bill.

[Socnorb11]

Obama's colleagues haven't done said or done anything nearly as inflammatory as what we saw this week. You're surely not going to deny that this week has been a childish display of mockery on the part of the Republicans, are you?

That attacks on Palin weren't inflammatory? The public vetting of her?

You can come right back and say, "but those things are true!" Well, the vast majority of what most of the speakers at the republican convention said were true as well. It's just that you didn't like it anymore than I liked the public vetting of Palin. Also, keep in mind, and I've said this a dozen times, what you consider an attack on your candidate won't seem like an attack to another person. All of that comes from which side of the aisle you sit on and your opinions on various topics, from the war to drilling to taxes.

I've already complimented both major candidates for keeping it largely above board, and frankly, I don't pay a whole lot of attention to the mud slinging on either side. You didn't see me on here touting Guiliani and rubbing his speech in people's noses. You also don't see me on here pointing out lies from the left or smear tactics from whoever or whatever someone might have said.

I'm not talking about "sides" or "the media". I'm talking about Barack Obama and his immediate colleagues, the ones that he thought enough of to invite to speak at the most important political event of his life to date (the Democratic convention). You surely can't hold Obama responsible for everything that every Republican and every member of the media has ever said, can you? Let's talk about the type of people that Obama and McCain have surrounded themselves with, and leave it at that. To my knowledge Obama has done more defend Palin than he has to mock her.

Did you honestly watch the Republican convention this week, and do you honestly still believe that McCain's camp is "keeping it above board"?

[haltz]

God I really hope people don't vote one way or another because Rudy Giuliani acted like a clown.

[ghostrunner]

Obama's colleagues haven't done said or done anything nearly as inflammatory as what we saw this week. You're surely not going to deny that this week has been a childish display of mockery on the part of the Republicans, are you?

That attacks on Palin weren't inflammatory? The public vetting of her?

You can come right back and say, "but those things are true!" Well, the vast majority of what most of the speakers at the republican convention said were true as well. It's just that you didn't like it anymore than I liked the public vetting of Palin. Also, keep in mind, and I've said this a dozen times, what you consider an attack on your candidate won't seem like an attack to another person. All of that comes from which side of the aisle you sit on and your opinions on various topics, from the war to drilling to taxes.

I've already complimented both major candidates for keeping it largely above board, and frankly, I don't pay a whole lot of attention to the mud slinging on either side. You didn't see me on here touting Guiliani and rubbing his speech in people's noses. You also don't see me on here pointing out lies from the left or smear tactics from whoever or whatever someone might have said.

I'm not talking about "sides" or "the media". I'm talking about Barack Obama and his immediate colleagues, the ones that he thought enough of to invite to speak at the most important political event of his life to date (the Democratic convention). You surely can't hold Obama responsible for everything that every Republican and every member of the media has ever said, can you? Let's talk about the type of people that Obama and McCain have surrounded themselves with, and leave it at that. To my knowledge Obama has done more defend Palin than he has to mock her.

Did you honestly watch the Republican convention this week, and do you honestly still believe that McCain's camp is "keeping it above board"?

I think aside from the community organizer stuff, it was pretty much fair and above board. There was a lot of generalizing and mischaracterizing of the other side in both conventions.

[Socnorb11]

God I really hope people don't vote one way or another because Rudy Giuliani acted like a clown.

I hope not, too. But if that's the type of people you surround yourself with, then that's how you're going to be perceived by many.

[Swatcat27]

Obama on O'Reilly tonight :

OBAMA: What we can do is stay focused on Afghanistan and put more pressure on the Pakistanis.

O'REILLY: Like what?

OBAMA: For example, we are providing them military aid without having enough strings attached. So they're using the military aid that we use to Pakistan, they're preparing for a war against India.

I like it.

[TimeForGuinness]

Did you honestly watch the Republican convention this week, and do you honestly still believe that McCain's camp is "keeping it above board"?

I think McCain did...which is what Fat Strat predicted...Palin did to some extent, but brought out the claws more than McCain. The only other speaker I saw was Giuliani...and that made me embarrassed to be an American. I heard Cindy McCain gave one of the best speeches of the convention...I'm sorry I missed it.

As for Obama, I saw Michelle Obama speak as well as Barrack...I missed Biden's speech. I missed most of the Democratic speeches, but I heard Teddy gave a good one as well.


So as a whole, I think the Presidential candidates, Vice Presidential candidates (from what I've seen or heard), and First Ladies pretty much kept it clean. That seems pretty outstanding in politics in this day and age.

[wart57]

Obama's colleagues haven't done said or done anything nearly as inflammatory as what we saw this week. You're surely not going to deny that this week has been a childish display of mockery on the part of the Republicans, are you?

That attacks on Palin weren't inflammatory? The public vetting of her?

You can come right back and say, "but those things are true!" Well, the vast majority of what most of the speakers at the republican convention said were true as well. It's just that you didn't like it anymore than I liked the public vetting of Palin. Also, keep in mind, and I've said this a dozen times, what you consider an attack on your candidate won't seem like an attack to another person. All of that comes from which side of the aisle you sit on and your opinions on various topics, from the war to drilling to taxes.

I've already complimented both major candidates for keeping it largely above board, and frankly, I don't pay a whole lot of attention to the mud slinging on either side. You didn't see me on here touting Guiliani and rubbing his speech in people's noses. You also don't see me on here pointing out lies from the left or smear tactics from whoever or whatever someone might have said.

I'm not talking about "sides" or "the media". I'm talking about Barack Obama and his immediate colleagues, the ones that he thought enough of to invite to speak at the most important political event of his life to date (the Democratic convention). You surely can't hold Obama responsible for everything that every Republican and every member of the media has ever said, can you? Let's talk about the type of people that Obama and McCain have surrounded themselves with, and leave it at that. To my knowledge Obama has done more defend Palin than he has to mock her.

Did you honestly watch the Republican convention this week, and do you honestly still believe that McCain's camp is "keeping it above board"?

Obama does not need to say anything "snarky" he has a lot of bloggers and folks in the media who are his supporters who are saying these things so he can stay above the fight.

[TimeForGuinness]

Obama's colleagues haven't done said or done anything nearly as inflammatory as what we saw this week. You're surely not going to deny that this week has been a childish display of mockery on the part of the Republicans, are you?

That attacks on Palin weren't inflammatory? The public vetting of her?

You can come right back and say, "but those things are true!" Well, the vast majority of what most of the speakers at the republican convention said were true as well. It's just that you didn't like it anymore than I liked the public vetting of Palin. Also, keep in mind, and I've said this a dozen times, what you consider an attack on your candidate won't seem like an attack to another person. All of that comes from which side of the aisle you sit on and your opinions on various topics, from the war to drilling to taxes.

I've already complimented both major candidates for keeping it largely above board, and frankly, I don't pay a whole lot of attention to the mud slinging on either side. You didn't see me on here touting Guiliani and rubbing his speech in people's noses. You also don't see me on here pointing out lies from the left or smear tactics from whoever or whatever someone might have said.

I'm not talking about "sides" or "the media". I'm talking about Barack Obama and his immediate colleagues, the ones that he thought enough of to invite to speak at the most important political event of his life to date (the Democratic convention). You surely can't hold Obama responsible for everything that every Republican and every member of the media has ever said, can you? Let's talk about the type of people that Obama and McCain have surrounded themselves with, and leave it at that. To my knowledge Obama has done more defend Palin than he has to mock her.

Did you honestly watch the Republican convention this week, and do you honestly still believe that McCain's camp is "keeping it above board"?

Obama does not need to say anything "snarky" he has a lot of bloggers and folks in the media who are his supporters who are saying these things so he can stay above the fight.

So do the Republicans...stop using this angle because most of the time you can look at your own party in the mirror and see the same things.