Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin

[Fat Strat]

On July 20, 2008, the pastor of Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin's home church, Larry Kroon, delivered a sermon called "Sin Is Personal To God." Kroon, the senior pastor of the non-denominational Wasilla Bible Church in Wasilla, Alaska, used the book of Zephaniah as his reference point for discussing "that great day of the Lord, when God will finally bring closure to human history... a day of wrath." According to Kroon, "all things and all people" are going to bear the brunt of God's "intense anger." "There's anger with God," he proclaimed. "He takes sin personal."

Kroon placed Zephaniah in a modern context, warning that the sinful habits of Americans would invite the wrath of God. "And if Zephaniah were here today," Kroon bellowed, "he'd be saying, ‘Listen, [God] is gonna deal with all the inhabitants of the earth. He is gonna strike out His hand against, yes, Wasilla; and Alaska; and the United States of America. There's no exceptions here -- there's none. It's all.'"

(Kroon's sermon can be heard here; a full transcript is here.)

While Kroon has cautioned his parishioners against the mass marketed End Times prophecies of Hal Lindsey and Tim LaHaye, he has nonetheless invoked doomsday scenarios that mirror those on the pages of Lindsey and LaHaye's bestselling tracts.

"It's so very possible that God, instead of responding by granting spiritual renewal and sustained prosperity," Kroon said in a sermon on July 13, 2008, "could just as easily...it's conceivable that He could just as easily, for example, raise up a revived, prosperous and powerful Communist Russia with a web of alliances across the Middle East. And our gas pumps would go dry. The dollar would collapse. And the markets would crash. The kayak could go upside down. And it could happen in a matter of weeks. That could happen. It could happen by this fall."

Palin joined Wasilla Bible Church after leaving Wasilla Assembly of God, a Pentecostal church where she delivered a controversial sermon asking her audience to pray that the war in Iraq is "God's plan." When she is working in Alaska's capitol, she worships at the Juneau Christian Center, another Pentecostal church where charismatic displays like speaking in tongues and dancing in the spirit are encouraged. Palin describes herself as a "Bible-believing Christian."

Palin's presence at Wasilla Bible Church has not been confirmed for the days Kroon warned of God "striking out his hand against... the United States of America" and "rais[ing] up" an alliance of nations to ruin America.

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters/355545

Irony.

I hear Obama's pastor has said some pretty interesting things as well...

[stlouie_lipp]

On July 20, 2008, the pastor of Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin's home church, Larry Kroon, delivered a sermon called "Sin Is Personal To God." Kroon, the senior pastor of the non-denominational Wasilla Bible Church in Wasilla, Alaska, used the book of Zephaniah as his reference point for discussing "that great day of the Lord, when God will finally bring closure to human history... a day of wrath." According to Kroon, "all things and all people" are going to bear the brunt of God's "intense anger." "There's anger with God," he proclaimed. "He takes sin personal."

Kroon placed Zephaniah in a modern context, warning that the sinful habits of Americans would invite the wrath of God. "And if Zephaniah were here today," Kroon bellowed, "he'd be saying, ‘Listen, [God] is gonna deal with all the inhabitants of the earth. He is gonna strike out His hand against, yes, Wasilla; and Alaska; and the United States of America. There's no exceptions here -- there's none. It's all.'"

(Kroon's sermon can be heard here; a full transcript is here.)

While Kroon has cautioned his parishioners against the mass marketed End Times prophecies of Hal Lindsey and Tim LaHaye, he has nonetheless invoked doomsday scenarios that mirror those on the pages of Lindsey and LaHaye's bestselling tracts.

"It's so very possible that God, instead of responding by granting spiritual renewal and sustained prosperity," Kroon said in a sermon on July 13, 2008, "could just as easily...it's conceivable that He could just as easily, for example, raise up a revived, prosperous and powerful Communist Russia with a web of alliances across the Middle East. And our gas pumps would go dry. The dollar would collapse. And the markets would crash. The kayak could go upside down. And it could happen in a matter of weeks. That could happen. It could happen by this fall."

Palin joined Wasilla Bible Church after leaving Wasilla Assembly of God, a Pentecostal church where she delivered a controversial sermon asking her audience to pray that the war in Iraq is "God's plan." When she is working in Alaska's capitol, she worships at the Juneau Christian Center, another Pentecostal church where charismatic displays like speaking in tongues and dancing in the spirit are encouraged. Palin describes herself as a "Bible-believing Christian."

Palin's presence at Wasilla Bible Church has not been confirmed for the days Kroon warned of God "striking out his hand against... the United States of America" and "rais[ing] up" an alliance of nations to ruin America.

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters/355545

Irony.

I hear Obama's pastor has said some pretty interesting things as well...

No he hasn't. But even if he did, he left that church remember?

OBAMA CAN DO NO WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[clement]

I hear Obama's pastor has said some pretty interesting things as well...

Really? I hadn't heard about that.

[MrSaigon]

Man, it's just not fair to judge a candidate by their spiritual associates.
Unless of course they belong to the other party.

[clement]

It's not fair. But it is fair to ask Palin what her position is on all of these issues. Of course you can't do that until she's willing to be asked. When Rev. Wright's speech got played over and over and over and over and then over and over and over again, he had to answer over and over and over and over, and over and over and over again, what his opinions were on the issues that Rev. Wright raised. He even felt the need to give a whole speech about the issue. But of course in Palin's case, if people start questioning these things it will be framed as a sexist, unfair treatment of her on the part of the media and her opponents.

[redbirdjazzz]

It's not fair. But it is fair to ask Palin what her position is on all of these issues. Of course you can't do that until she's willing to be asked. When Rev. Wright's speech got played over and over and over and over and then over and over and over again, he had to answer over and over and over and over, and over and over and over again, what his opinions were on the issues that Rev. Wright raised. He even felt the need to give a whole speech about the issue. But of course in Palin's case, if people start questioning these things it will be framed as a sexist, unfair treatment of her on the part of the media and her opponents.

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[BW23]

I think it is fair to take their religious associates, at least when it comes to leaders of their respective churches. If my preacher started going off on something strange, and somehow kept his job (which wouldn't happen), then I'd stop going.

But others are obviously different.

[UK]

i like baracks last sentence

[/youtube]

And here I thought Obama was the one playing nice. This and his campaign saying that the Palins are bad parents. Gee, it's really shocking.

Did they say that? I'm a little crunked right now, but I haven't read anything lately that would say that.

As far as Obama's speech, he's just trying to match Palin's sarcastic wit and it really isn't avenue, it sounds too planned, IMO.

[MrSaigon]

I don't know who is more to blame the media, or the polarized to blindness party members, but election season is absolutely ridiculous.
But I just keep saying the same thing over and over again in this thread. I should probably retire.

[UK]

I don't know who is more to blame the media, or the polarized to blindness party members, but election season is absolutely ridiculous.
But I just keep saying the same thing over and over again in this thread. I should probably retire.

I'd lose the Tecmo Bowl avatar before not wanting to raise a good point.