Our financial system is crumbling this week.

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BTW, the Times reports today that Central Banks continue to lend vast amounts to banks that cannot find other sources of short-term lending to meet end of day capital requirements. The interest rate on these loans is in double-digits.
The European Central Bank lent banks 190 billion euros, or $273 billion, for a weeklong period after initially estimating that it needed to drain 40 billion euros from the system. It also lent banks $30 billion for one day at a marginal rate of 11 percent, almost six times the Fed’s 2 percent benchmark interest rate. The Bank of Japan pumped another $29 billion into credit markets, its third intervention of this scale since the collapse of Lehman Brothers earlier this month.
Meanwhile, investors are so scared to lend money that they are investing in federal t-bills at negative yields (the interest rate is less than the rate of inflation).

If this continues, we will arrive soon enough at a de facto nationalization of the US banking system.

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One of those mass forward emails I received today....
I'm against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG.

Instead, I'm in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in a We Deserve It Dividend.

To make the math simple, let's assume there are 200,000,000 bonafide U.S. Citizens 18+.

Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman and child.

So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up..

So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billon that equals $425,000.00.

My plan is to give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a We Deserve It Dividend.

Of course, it would NOT be tax free. So let's assume a tax rate of 30%.

Every individual 18+ has to pay $127,500.00 in taxes.

That sends $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam.

But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket. A husband and wife has $595,000.00.

What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family?
Pay off your mortgage – housing crisis solved.
Repay college loans – what a great boost to new grads
Put away money for college – it'll be there
Save in a bank – create money to loan to entrepreneurs.
Buy a new car – create jobs
Invest in the market – capital drives growth
Pay for your parent's medical insurance – health care improves
Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean – or else

Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ including the folks
who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company
that is cutting back. And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.

If we're going to re-distribute wealth let's really do it...instead of trickling out
a puny $1000.00 ( "vote buy" ) economic incentive that is being proposed by one of our candidates for President.

If we're going to do an $85 billion bailout, let's bail out every adult U S Citizen 18+!

As for AIG – liquidate it.
Sell off its parts.
Let American General go back to being American General.
Sell off the real estate.
Let the private sector bargain hunters cut it up and clean it up.

Here's my rationale. We deserve it and AIG doesn't.

Sure it's a crazy idea that can "never work."

But can you imagine the Coast-To-Coast Block Party!

How do you spell Economic Boom?

I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85 Billion
We Deserve It Dividend more than I do the geniuses at AIG or in Washington DC.

And remember, The Birk plan only really costs $59.5 Billion because $25.5 Billion is returned
instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam.

Ahhh...I feel so much better getting that off my chest.

Birk
T. J. Birkenmeier, A Creative Guy & Citizen of the Republic
PS: Feel free to pass this along to your pals as it's either good for a laugh
or a tear or a very sobering thought on how to best use $85 Billion!!

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Radbird wrote:One of those mass forward emails I received today....
Snopes and TheoSqua were all over that earlier today:
http://gatewayredbirds.com/forum/viewto ... 79#p602679

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Radbird wrote:One of those mass forward emails I received today....
I'm against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG.

Instead, I'm in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in a We Deserve It Dividend.

etc.

Birk
T. J. Birkenmeier, A Creative Guy & Citizen of the Republic
PS: Feel free to pass this along to your pals as it's either good for a laugh
or a tear or a very sobering thought on how to best use $85 Billion!!
I too miss the Weimar Republic.

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Hungary Jack wrote:
Radbird wrote:One of those mass forward emails I received today....
I'm against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG.

Instead, I'm in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in a We Deserve It Dividend.

etc.

Birk
T. J. Birkenmeier, A Creative Guy & Citizen of the Republic
PS: Feel free to pass this along to your pals as it's either good for a laugh
or a tear or a very sobering thought on how to best use $85 Billion!!
I too miss the Weimar Republic.
Just think of the health benefits of lugging wheelbarrows of cash to buy bread!

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Hungary Jack wrote:BTW, the Times reports today that Central Banks continue to lend vast amounts to banks that cannot find other sources of short-term lending to meet end of day capital requirements. The interest rate on these loans is in double-digits.
The European Central Bank lent banks 190 billion euros, or $273 billion, for a weeklong period after initially estimating that it needed to drain 40 billion euros from the system. It also lent banks $30 billion for one day at a marginal rate of 11 percent, almost six times the Fed’s 2 percent benchmark interest rate. The Bank of Japan pumped another $29 billion into credit markets, its third intervention of this scale since the collapse of Lehman Brothers earlier this month.
Meanwhile, investors are so scared to lend money that they are investing in federal t-bills at negative yields (the interest rate is less than the rate of inflation).

If this continues, we will arrive soon enough at a de facto nationalization of the US banking system.
So, that $300 billion didn't help, but the $700 billion that the gov. is providing will. Granted, you have to establish value for your [expletive] securities/what not, but I thought most of the problem is/was capital.....

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AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote:
Hungary Jack wrote:BTW, the Times reports today that Central Banks continue to lend vast amounts to banks that cannot find other sources of short-term lending to meet end of day capital requirements. The interest rate on these loans is in double-digits.
The European Central Bank lent banks 190 billion euros, or $273 billion, for a weeklong period after initially estimating that it needed to drain 40 billion euros from the system. It also lent banks $30 billion for one day at a marginal rate of 11 percent, almost six times the Fed’s 2 percent benchmark interest rate. The Bank of Japan pumped another $29 billion into credit markets, its third intervention of this scale since the collapse of Lehman Brothers earlier this month.
Meanwhile, investors are so scared to lend money that they are investing in federal t-bills at negative yields (the interest rate is less than the rate of inflation).

If this continues, we will arrive soon enough at a de facto nationalization of the US banking system.
So, that $300 billion didn't help, but the $700 billion that the gov. is providing will. Granted, you have to establish value for your [expletive] securities/what not, but I thought most of the problem is/was capital.....
If a commercial banker is present, he/she please chime in. I'm not an expert on this.

But my understanding is that commercial banks lend to eachother based on the value of the available collateral (mostly securities) in their portfolio. There is a pecking order to the claims on this collateral if the borrower has problems repaying. The riskiness and pecking order of the collateral offered for the loan determines the interest rate on the loan. So even a small portion of uncertainty of the value of the collateral can upset the whole picture.

If there is anything that investors hate, it is uncertainty. It can be uncertainty about the value of assets on the Balance Sheet . Remember when Enron "casually" restated the value of its special investments? IIRC, it wrote down only $1B of assets, but investors punished the stock so that the company value declined $13 B over the ensuring week). It can also be the uncertainty of high inflation, political upheaval, etc.

So investors are punishing financial stocks because of this uncertainty. And banks are afraid to lend to each other because of uncertainty of the value of collateral. This puts a double-whammy on capital: illiquid securities limit the value of available reserves to loan/borrow against; and banks cannot raise more capital through stock sales because stock prices are so low.

Wikipedia discusses the nature of the subprime mess. It notes that $1 Trillion of mortgage bonds were issued in 2006 alone. The subprime boom ran from 2003 through early 2007, so there are likely several trillion dollars of these securities out there (face value). Not all are at risk, but any uncertainty over the value of any of them is enough to choke off short-term commercial lending, which is what appears to be happening.

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The new government mortgage assistance program was launched today.
To qualify, borrowers must be spending more than 31 percent of their income on mortgage payments. Loans made this year are excluded, except for those completed on Jan 1. Borrowers must have made six months of payments on their loans.
Wow, do people really have that high of a house payment? Mine is roughly 10%.

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Leroy wrote:The new government mortgage assistance program was launched today.
To qualify, borrowers must be spending more than 31 percent of their income on mortgage payments. Loans made this year are excluded, except for those completed on Jan 1. Borrowers must have made six months of payments on their loans.
Wow, do people really have that high of a house payment? Mine is roughly 10%.
Mrs. Jack had a former colleague who was probably making around $130k annually, and she bought a $1 Million home. She almost certainly had an interest-only mortgage. Personally, I could not sleep at night with that type of mortgage.

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In the Senate version of the bill, the FDIC insured amount would increase from $100K to $250K.

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