Hudler wrote:Other than overstating the relationship between Ayers and Obama somewhat,nothing in that mailer is untrue. What's the big deal.
It is absolutely untrue, and extremely dangerous.
Like I said in my previous post,everything it says about Ayers is the truth,the part about Ayers and Obama being on some committee is true,the political meeting at Ayers house is true. They two of them probably aren't as tight as what this makes them out to be,but this doesn't make it dangerous and as aweful as some make it out to be. I think some people are blind to the truth when it's their guy.
John McCain spent a good 5 years in the company of Vietnamese communists. I mean, he was hanging out with them like every day.
I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'.
By far the worst comparison I've ever seen.
I think what's dangerous here is the denial that the flier is true.
It's true though.
Just sayin'....
Nobody forced Obama to "hang out" with Ayers. "Just sayin'" ignorant statements in this thread are what make me visibly angry.
Nobody forced McCain either to hang out with them as long as he did. He chose to stay. He said he was treated well. Sound like he was pretty chummy with those Commies.
Could some plans have been made that we don't know about?
That's the truth. All of it.
See the point of the exercise? You can do some weird things with the truth, that's all I am really saying.
****** edit - and to be clear, I have nothing but respect for McCain's military service.
Hudler wrote:Other than overstating the relationship between Ayers and Obama somewhat,nothing in that mailer is untrue. What's the big deal.
It is absolutely untrue, and extremely dangerous.
Like I said in my previous post,everything it says about Ayers is the truth,the part about Ayers and Obama being on some committee is true,the political meeting at Ayers house is true. They two of them probably aren't as tight as what this makes them out to be,but this doesn't make it dangerous and as aweful as some make it out to be. I think some people are blind to the truth when it's their guy.
John McCain spent a good 5 years in the company of Vietnamese communists. I mean, he was hanging out with them like every day.
I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'.
By far the worst comparison I've ever seen.
I think what's dangerous here is the denial that the flier is true.
The logic in the mailer and the logic I used are exactly the same. Guilt by association, not by virtue of the facts.
Is it not undeniably true that McCain spent every day for years in the company of Vietnamese communists? Yes, it is, but to conclude that he is therefore a communist ignores crucial facts, and to imply so is deliberately misleading and transparent character assassination.
That is exactly what that mailer does. What it says is true, but it withholds crucial contextual information that, if provided, would make the implication that Obama is or sympathizes with terrorists look absurd.
What's this is in my mail?
cards2468: he spends time on the internet. You know who else spends time on the internet? Al Queda operatives, and pornographers. Cards2468, not who you think he is. Terrorist pornographer? Well, you decide.
Hudler wrote:Other than overstating the relationship between Ayers and Obama somewhat,nothing in that mailer is untrue. What's the big deal.
It is absolutely untrue, and extremely dangerous.
Like I said in my previous post,everything it says about Ayers is the truth,the part about Ayers and Obama being on some committee is true,the political meeting at Ayers house is true. They two of them probably aren't as tight as what this makes them out to be,but this doesn't make it dangerous and as aweful as some make it out to be. I think some people are blind to the truth when it's their guy.
John McCain spent a good 5 years in the company of Vietnamese communists. I mean, he was hanging out with them like every day.
I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'.
By far the worst comparison I've ever seen.
I think what's dangerous here is the denial that the flier is true.
The logic in the mailer and the logic I used are exactly the same. Guilt by association, not by virtue of the facts.
Is it not undeniably true that McCain spent every day for years in the company of Vietnamese communists? Yes, it is, but to conclude that he is therefore a communist ignores crucial facts, and to imply so is deliberately misleading and transparent character assassination.
That is exactly what that mailer does. What it says is true, but it withholds crucial contextual information that, if provided, would make the implication that Obama is or sympathizes with terrorists look absurd.
What's this is in my mail?
cards2468: he spends time on the internet. You know who else spends time on the internet? Al Queda operatives, and pornographers. Cards2468, not who you think he is. Terrorist pornographer? Well, you decide.
Let me get this right, serving on a board, and creating by-laws with Ayers, as well as a campaign Launch party for Obama hosted by Ayers is the same thing as being held as a POW, and refusing to be released by his captors because his fellow POW's were still being held, are the same thing?
This is not Senior Class president they are running for, it is President of the United States.
wart57 wrote:Let me get this right, serving on a board, and creating by-laws with Ayers, as well as a campaign Launch party for Obama hosted by Ayers is the same thing as being held as a POW, and refusing to be released by his captors because his fellow POW's were still being held, are the same thing?
This is not Senior Class president they are running for, it is President of the United States.
That's not what GK said. What he said was that the logic applied to link Obama/Ayers in that brochure is the same logic that could be used to link McCain with his captors.
wart57 wrote:Let me get this right, serving on a board, and creating by-laws with Ayers, as well as a campaign Launch party for Obama hosted by Ayers is the same thing as being held as a POW, and refusing to be released by his captors because his fellow POW's were still being held, are the same thing?
This is not Senior Class president they are running for, it is President of the United States.
That's not what GK said. What he said was that the logic applied to link Obama/Ayers in that brochure is the same logic that could be used to link McCain with his captors.
This "guilty by association" is crap.
Bush did coke & drugs...so he knew drug dealers...who had weapons and Bush funded those guns with every purchase. Therefore, Bush funds drug dealers.
I wonder if Reagan ever had actor friends on McCarthy's list? If he did, Reagan is a communist.
See how dumb this is?
If either party resorted to these tactics, I would be offended. This isn't just a Pro-Obama type rant. This is a "fear" rant.
wart57 wrote:Let me get this right, serving on a board, and creating by-laws with Ayers, as well as a campaign Launch party for Obama hosted by Ayers is the same thing as being held as a POW, and refusing to be released by his captors because his fellow POW's were still being held, are the same thing?
This is not Senior Class president they are running for, it is President of the United States.
That's not what GK said. What he said was that the logic applied to link Obama/Ayers in that brochure is the same logic that could be used to link McCain with his captors.
