Civil Rights Up for Vote

[Arthur Dent]

Not sure it's just old people. While there are some generational ascpects to this, I know quite a few younger folks who would've voted for Prop 8.

But it's a huge factor. The generational gap on this issue is enormous. Opposition to gay marriage also spiked in 2004 when it was used as a wedge issue.

[Jocephus]

do people really take this religion seriously?

Thirty years ago, the Mormon Church at last decided that it was okay for African Americans to join its priesthood.

You could say that about our country though, couldn't you? In some areas, black people were drinking from different fountains 40 years ago.

yeah, definitely...

and i personally would say (why) do people really take any religion seriously?

[BW23]

They just need to wait for a few old people to die off & then another state prop will pass that removes the language that was just added.

Not sure it's just old people. While there are some generational ascpects to this, I know quite a few younger folks who would've voted for Prop 8.

I know a lot.

[Arthur Dent]

Regarding adoption, did anyone else see the episode of 30 Days on this? The show has people spend 30 days living in a way that's radically different than what they are used to. In this episode, a fundamentalist Christian woman, Kati, lives with a gay couple who had adopted several children. From the very beginning, there was never any question that Dennis and Thomas weren't nice, loving, and highly competent parents. Whenever they would try to discuss the adoption issue with Kati, she would only state that same-sex adoption was wrong because it was her beliefs sometimes adding that this was because of the Bible. She would get very upset that this belief was being questioned (although it was being done in a very nice way), but no further argument was available. Just I believe it because I believe it. They tried pointing out that even if theirs wasn't her ideal arrangement, surely it was better than the alternative of foster care but got nowhere. Totally absolute. Reason was irrelevant. It was very sad. Religion had poisoned her mind.

[BW23]

Religion had poisoned her mind.

That's a sad statement.

[Arthur Dent]

Religion had poisoned her mind.

That's a sad statement.

I should point out that Dennis and Thomas were also Christians belonging to a church that had no problem with homosexuality, but I stand by my statement. Religion convinces people that it's good to believe things just based on authority even when there are good rational grounds to reject those beliefs.

[BW23]

There's no good rational grounds for me to reject what God's Word says. Sorry.

[Jocephus]

i dont believe in jewish fairy tales, er, i mean the bible

[Radbird]

They just need to wait for a few old people to die off & then another state prop will pass that removes the language that was just added.

Not sure it's just old people. While there are some generational ascpects to this, I know quite a few younger folks who would've voted for Prop 8.

I know a lot.

Just clarifying - are you saying you know a lot of younger folks against?

[Cronos]

I believe that same-sex couples should be allowed to adopt if they wish to, but that can be really rough on the kids growing up like from teasing in school, misunderstandings/unfavorable reactions and thus biased grades from teachers, etc.