Civil Rights Up for Vote

[M1IRONMIKE]

Marriage to Christians is defined a certain way. It's not bigoted at all for Christians to not recognize a same sex marriage.

Why not? I don't see why how a particular religion chooses to "define" marriage makes that position any more or less bigoted.

How you base your vote is your own business and your own business alone. I for one get tired of all the lobbying for votes and the celebrity endorsements. Why the hell do I care how Alec Baldwin or Chuck Norris is voting or what this or that religion thinks. If you make a decision based on your own religious belief so be it. While it is hoped that most base their voting preferences on honest analysis of the issue it is no secret that a large segmet of society doesn't do it.

[Popeye_Card]

If you make a decision based on your own religious belief so be it. While it is hoped that most base their voting preferences on honest analysis of the issue it is no secret that a large segmet of society doesn't do it.

While I can agree with that, what I'm more upset about is that something like this is even up for a vote in the first place. There are all kinds of laws/ammendments/etc. that could carry enough popular support to be approved. As the old adage says, what is right isn't always popular.

So that begets the question--is it right for the government to ban gay marriages and/or civil unions. You have to take your personal approval/disapproval out of it.

[jim]

Marriage to Christians is defined a certain way. It's not bigoted at all for Christians to not recognize a same sex marriage.

Why not? I don't see why how a particular religion chooses to "define" marriage makes that position any more or less bigoted.

Whatever.... I'm not going to get into long an protracted religious arguments. The point is the only argument you can make against homosexual marriage that I can see is based in religion and morality. Now I know that is even tricky ... it's immoral to kill someone and we pass morality based laws on that. But I see a clear difference, maybe popeye's "victim" idea is the litmus test.

Bottom line to me is that without a biblical reference(i.e. following the First Amendment), this is just saying someone can't do something that others can because of the way they act. To me, that's just bigotry.

It will fall, eventually.

[lukethedrifter]

On a side note, Barbara Young is now my Favorite Mormon as well as one of my Favorite Political Activists and right near if not at the top of my Favorite MILF list.

[AWvsCBsteeeerike3]

It's not insulting to suggest that voters may not have thought through the implications of their vote. It's pretty common for people to not even know about ballot propositions until they walk in the booth. So they see the question as do you want to ban gay marriage or not?

Exactly. They saw it for what it was. A ban on homosexual marriage. And, they voted to ban it at a clip of 7-3. Don't blame that on someone else. Don't say they didn't know what they were doing.

[lukethedrifter]

It's not insulting to suggest that voters may not have thought through the implications of their vote. It's pretty common for people to not even know about ballot propositions until they walk in the booth. So they see the question as do you want to ban gay marriage or not?

Exactly. They saw it for what it was. A ban on homosexual marriage. And, they voted to ban it at a clip of 7-3. Don't blame that on someone else. Don't say they didn't know what they were doing.

Beeerststrike (atleastthatshowIpronounceyourusername),
I had the same reaction initially. Then it became clear what the Political Science Prof was trying to get across.
She was extremely clear that it was bigoted to vote in favor of 8 but that in order to defeat it the opposition campaign needed to do a better job of getting into the AA community to educate and turn public opinion. I don't think at any point did she say AA's didn't know what they were voting on just that a better job needed to be done to point out just how similar this campaign is to what was used to deny them full civil rights.

[cards2468]

Thought I'd chime in...

There was a time when I opposed same-sex marriage, but now I support it. To me, life is way too short, and if marrying somebody of the same sex makes you happy, go for it. I understand that religions who claim marriage was a concept derived from religion are offended over the idea of members of the same sex marrying each other, but why can't we just give it another name and make it the same thing?

[AWvsCBsteeeerike3]

So, and this is part of my point, how does a lady in New Jersey know the logic behind the AA vote in California? I don't believe she does. She just says something that, in America's mind, makes them look less bigoted. Forget that it makes them look foolish and duped.

I've never heard anyone refer to me as beerstrike, but i kind of see it.

[thrill]

I've never heard anyone refer to me as beerstrike, but i kind of see it.

I'm surprised how many people don't get your name.

[haltz]

On a side note, Barbara Young is now my Favorite Mormon as well as one of my Favorite Political Activists and right near if not at the top of my Favorite MILF list.

I can't find a picture of this lady. But I did find a sweet halloween costume: