Exactly. This is assigning meaning to a culture that has no meaning.
i was just trying to further my question.. do they know they're hipsters and is it a bad thing..
I don't feel like self awareness is something hipsters are good at. They judge others but don't see how ridiculous they are. Self awareness is for people who live and dress plainly. I feel like it's impossible to be a hipster and know you are. That makes you a poseur because you are choosing and planning to look and behave like what you think a hipster is. Real hipsters are oblivious to their true selves. They live with the blind self-assuredness reserved for only narcissists and children of a privileged society. There are no hipsters in poor society.
I'm not saying hipsters aren't hypocrites, but I clearly don't think their oblivious to their true selves either. This is still a fairly savvy group of people we're talking about here. They may not like the definition or the act of labeling their community, but they're not oblivious to who they are. It think they know they're hypocrites for rebelling against a materialistic society while still enjoy all the materials... which is why they're probably adverse to self-awareness, but I don't think they're bad at it.
haltz wrote:
maddash wrote:
haltz wrote:
omaha_red wrote:are you a hipster?
this question doesn't work.
Exactly. This is assigning meaning to a culture that has no meaning.
Nah, not that deep. Just saying a hipster won't ever admit it.
I like this part of the article the best I think:
Lovers of apathy and irony, hipsters are connected through a global network of blogs and shops that push forth a global vision of fashion-informed aesthetics. Loosely associated with some form of creative output, they attend art parties, take lo-fi pictures with analog cameras, ride their bikes to night clubs and sweat it up at nouveau disco-coke parties. The hipster tends to religiously blog about their daily exploits, usually while leafing through generation-defining magazines like Vice, Another Magazine and Wallpaper. This cursory and stylized lifestyle has made the hipster almost universally loathed.
“These hipster zombies… are the idols of the style pages, the darlings of viral marketers and the marks of predatory real-estate agents,” wrote Christian Lorentzen in a Time Out New York article entitled ‘Why the Hipster Must Die.’ “And they must be buried for cool to be reborn.”
I don't think hipsters want to live without community, just without cultural meaning. If a community HAS to have a name, they'd probably admit that hipster is the closest thing to it - even though they'd hate the implication. And any community is going to share things like musical tastes, fashion trends, etc...
Exactly. This is assigning meaning to a culture that has no meaning.
i was just trying to further my question.. do they know they're hipsters and is it a bad thing..
I don't feel like self awareness is something hipsters are good at. They judge others but don't see how ridiculous they are. Self awareness is for people who live and dress plainly. I feel like it's impossible to be a hipster and know you are. That makes you a poseur because you are choosing and planning to look and behave like what you think a hipster is. Real hipsters are oblivious to their true selves. They live with the blind self-assuredness reserved for only narcissists and children of a privileged society. There are no hipsters in poor society.
I'm not saying hipsters aren't hypocrites, but I clearly don't think their oblivious to their true selves either. This is still a fairly savvy group of people we're talking about here. They may not like the definition or the act of labeling their community, but they're not oblivious to who they are. It think they know they're hypocrites for rebelling against a materialistic society while still enjoy all the materials... which is why they're probably adverse to self-awareness, but I don't think they're bad at it.
haltz wrote:
maddash wrote:
haltz wrote:
omaha_red wrote:are you a hipster?
this question doesn't work.
Exactly. This is assigning meaning to a culture that has no meaning.
Nah, not that deep. Just saying a hipster won't ever admit it.
I like this part of the article the best I think:
Lovers of apathy and irony, hipsters are connected through a global network of blogs and shops that push forth a global vision of fashion-informed aesthetics. Loosely associated with some form of creative output, they attend art parties, take lo-fi pictures with analog cameras, ride their bikes to night clubs and sweat it up at nouveau disco-coke parties. The hipster tends to religiously blog about their daily exploits, usually while leafing through generation-defining magazines like Vice, Another Magazine and Wallpaper. This cursory and stylized lifestyle has made the hipster almost universally loathed.
“These hipster zombies… are the idols of the style pages, the darlings of viral marketers and the marks of predatory real-estate agents,” wrote Christian Lorentzen in a Time Out New York article entitled ‘Why the Hipster Must Die.’ “And they must be buried for cool to be reborn.”
I don't think hipsters want to live without community, just without cultural meaning. If a community HAS to have a name, they'd probably admit that hipster is the closest thing to it - even though they'd hate the implication. And any community is going to share things like musical tastes, fashion trends, etc...
Radbird wrote:I'm still not sure what a hipster is.
Does this mean I might be one?
I think your generation was part of the problem, Rad.
If you haven't checked out haltz' AdBusters link, please do. It's a good read.
We are a lost generation, desperately clinging to anything that feels real, but too afraid to become it ourselves. We are a defeated generation, resigned to the hypocrisy of those before us, who once sang songs of rebellion and now sell them back to us. We are the last generation, a culmination of all previous things, destroyed by the vapidity that surrounds us. The hipster represents the end of Western civilization – a culture so detached and disconnected that it has stopped giving birth to anything new.
Like I said, this is a group of people that wants the benefits of a community, without the trapping of a culture - so anything new it creates it then destroys. They've seen culture after culture turned against itself and commercialized too many times. It's certainly a reaction that only a privileged class can have, but I don't think that it makes it an invalid reaction.
