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Do you two have any suggestions for a mid-90's golfer to take a few shots off his game? I'm currently decent at all aspects, but not "good" at any one aspect at all. I'm usually 225-250 off the tee box...pitching is extremely inconsistent. Putting is all over the place, and I don't have a great "feel" for the speed at all.
Leave your driver in the bag and master your 3-wood off the tee.

It's worked for me. I can hit the fairway with my 3-wood 80% of the time and I'm typically only 20 yards shorter than I would be with my driver. Sure, I can crank out a 300 yard drive every round or two with my driver, but for every perfect drive I'll fade/slice three others into the rough or the woods. Your friends might make fun of you for not hitting driver, but who gets the last laugh at the end of the round? You're playing from the short grass, they're dropping $20 a round into lost Pro V1's.

Golf is alot easier from the fairway.

I did this, worked hard on my chipping and pitching to hold greens, and saw my scores go from mid-90's to high 80's in the course of one summer.

Now I never lose balls off the tee and just have to get more consistent with my mid-irons to become a low 80's player.


Edit: Another point about the 3W. Once you get real comfortable with it off the tee you can really start banging it. In my league I only hit 3W and typically I'm even with or just ever so slightly behind the guys who hit driver exclusively. When you're start consistently knocking your 3W 240 yards you have absolutely no reason to hit driver --- unless you can hit your driver like a pro.

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Step 1: Grab 6 degree driver.
Step 2: Grip it and Rip it!
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Step 3:Find ball.
Step 4: Profit.

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phinstd wrote:Do you two have any suggestions for a mid-90's golfer to take a few shots off his game? I'm currently decent at all aspects, but not "good" at any one aspect at all. I'm usually 225-250 off the tee box...pitching is extremely inconsistent. Putting is all over the place, and I don't have a great "feel" for the speed at all.
Like other have said, practice your short game.

Also, get a subscription to Golf Digest (seriously). They always have good tips that can help a 90s golfer like yourself get down into the 80s.

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Fat Strat wrote:
Do you two have any suggestions for a mid-90's golfer to take a few shots off his game? I'm currently decent at all aspects, but not "good" at any one aspect at all. I'm usually 225-250 off the tee box...pitching is extremely inconsistent. Putting is all over the place, and I don't have a great "feel" for the speed at all.
Leave your driver in the bag and master your 3-wood off the tee.

It's worked for me. I can hit the fairway with my 3-wood 80% of the time and I'm typically only 20 yards shorter than I would be with my driver. Sure, I can crank out a 300 yard drive every round or two with my driver, but for every perfect drive I'll fade/slice three others into the rough or the woods. Your friends might make fun of you for not hitting driver, but who gets the last laugh at the end of the round? You're playing from the short grass, they're dropping $20 a round into lost Pro V1's.

Golf is alot easier from the fairway.

I did this, worked hard on my chipping and pitching to hold greens, and saw my scores go from mid-90's to high 80's in the course of one summer.

Now I never lose balls off the tee and just have to get more consistent with my mid-irons to become a low 80's player.


Edit: Another point about the 3W. Once you get real comfortable with it off the tee you can really start banging it. In my league I only hit 3W and typically I'm even with or just ever so slightly behind the guys who hit driver exclusively. When you're start consistently knocking your 3W 240 yards you have absolutely no reason to hit driver --- unless you can hit your driver like a pro.
Good advice concerning the 3 wood. I'd even be tempted to suggest 5 wood for some folks.

Some other generic advice that might help someone:
*Go to a putting green with 2, 3 or 4 balls and create competition between 2, 3 or 4 imaginary players. Just keep track of putts...all holes par two...and play 18 hole events. Or four rounds of 18 holes. It's easiest just to keep track vs par, for example, Nicklaus +2, Hogan, +3, Ballesteros +6, you -1. Before you know it, an hour has passed, you're late for dinner but you've put in an hour of (at least somewhat fun) putting practice.

*Find a single wedge and use it for everything within (whatever the maximum distance that wedge will travel). I use a 60 degree wedge for everything within around 110 to 120 yards. In this age of multiple wedges, gap wedges and lob wedges, I find it most comforting having one club that I trust in all situations within that distance from the green. There's no substitute for a trusty wedge and putter. I'd say I hit 55 to 60% of my shots with those two clubs.

*Find a good video of a swing that you like and watch it over and over and over. See if you can feel the swing that you're watching. Then go out and imagine that you have that swing. Even if your swing is nothing like the video, it's a good idea to visualize it as you swing. I know it sounds kind of ridiculous, especially if you're shooting 105, but I honestly feel that finding the right swing key is often more important than having a perfect swing. I think one of the main reasons I perform better in real competition, as opposed to practice rounds, is because on those days of a tournament, I carry myself around the golf course as though I think I'm the greatest golfer in the world. Or at least in that tournament. Act like a good golfer and don't let a bad shot or two fluster you.

*Which leads me to my last point. There is no such thing as a perfect swing. Quit thinking that one of these days you're going to "figure it out" and you'll never have to worry about tinkering with your swing again. The entire challenge of this sport is finding a way to make it work today. If you're concentrating on the way you want the ball to fly and the smooth transition from backswing to downswing, or whatever key is working for you lately, you'll be able to ignore all of those swing-killers like "don't go left," "don't pop it up" or "don't top it." The fact is, if your swing has ever produced a perfect shot, whatever that is for you, than that swing is capable to being repeated...however goofy it may look (see Jim Furyk and hundreds of other tour pros over the years) and being a productive move. Don't go looking to change your swing just because you hit a few bad shots or played poorly for a few days. Tinker a little here and there, sure, that's just getting things back in order but don't continually seek the complete overhaul most seem to think they need.

Oh, I'd also suggest playing quite a bit before seeking the advice of a pro. I've yet to meet a great golfer that got his start with golf lessons. Golf lessons are actually more helpful to golfers that already have a swing developed. Don't worry about ingraining bad habits. You're always going to slip into bad habits and that's where a good pro comes in. But if a pro doesn't have anything to work with, they're basically just going to suggest you hit balls and more balls. If you have no clue at all about the grip, etc., a single introductory lesson can help although the golf magazines can probably be just as helpful. Be careful though, because golf magazines can contribute to sabotaging your swing if you're trying out each of their tips every month.

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ugh.

Shot 39 on the front. Thought I was en route to my first round to break 80. I was playing really well. Hit 5 of 7 fairways and 6 of 9 GIR, though I couldn't make any dang birdie putts until 9 or I would have had a bigger cushion for the misery that was to ensue. In my defense the greens have just been aerated, so putting conditions were not ideal.

Joined up with two guys on 11 and of course played like excrement the rest of the way and ended up at 87. That back 9 was horrible.

I can't wait to play again on Friday. I'm pretty sure this game is a symptom of multiple neuroses.

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phinstd wrote:Do you two have any suggestions for a mid-90's golfer to take a few shots off his game? I'm currently decent at all aspects, but not "good" at any one aspect at all. I'm usually 225-250 off the tee box...pitching is extremely inconsistent. Putting is all over the place, and I don't have a great "feel" for the speed at all.

I play two to three times a month, and I really want to get under 90 this year, but have a serious habit of "blowing up" on a hole. My other big problem is chipping off a fairway from 20' and in. I seem to be able to chip out of the rough so much easier because the ball is sitting up in grass. I don't usually take a divet at all, and that might be part of my problem.
Some very good advice in the preceding posts...but use your intelligence and an honest assessment of your game to sort through which tidbits are most applicable to you. I'm going to take another tact and offer some general thoughts of mine on scoring.

Personally, I think that the scoring aspect of golf centers around consistency, pre-shot strategy, and in-shot relaxation.

Consistency applies to all aspects of the game...from shot analysis, to setup, to swing. Consistency does two positive things for you: First, it gives you confidence in what the results of your actions will be (and thus allows you to make educated decisions based upon predictable results). It doesn't matter how much your ball curves or in what direction, for full swings, pitches, chips, or even putts...as long as the results are consistent you can make it work and score well. They don't even need to be the same round after round...just figure out what pattern you've got going that day and play for it. Don't EVER try to tinker in the middle of the round. It will ruin your consistency/confidence/score for that round guaranteed. Find a natural feeling swing that produces an acceptable result for each shot type, then focus on making that swing and result as repeatable as possible. The second thing consistency does for your game is that it allows you to repeat setup (and even swing) mechanics without ever having to THINK about mechanics during your round. Thinking about your mechanics while you're playing is death. It causes tension, doubt, etc., obviously...but it also moves you subtly from simply "doing" to "thinking about doing." One encourages perfectly natural execution while the other is Chuck Knoblauch territory. Things as simple as gripping the club, body posture, and spacing from the ball/ball placement in the stance are very easy to lose even over the course of a round (much less from round to round) and even small variance in things like that can wreak havoc with your swing and swing results. If you develop and ingrain a simple/natural routine that addresses your biggest mechanical needs/weaknesses your scores will improve.

Pre-shot strategy is incredibly important. Not only should you have an idea of how you want to play each hole before you start in a way that emphasizes your strengths and minimizes your weaknesses, but you should approach each individual shot in the same manner. Typically, I'm as aggressive as I can be until I'm faced with any situation that could doom me to a result worse than a bogey with one swing. After that, I'm playing to eliminate double bogey or worse...the easiest shot possible to the biggest target possible with the goal of getting greenside as soon as possible. Even from trouble, it's usually fairly easy to get greenside fairly safely in regulation plus one. From there, I just rely on my short game to not throw away any additional shots...or perhaps even to steal back a shot or two. I place a lot of emphasis on avoiding OB and hazards at all costs...even if I have to burn an extra stroke to get around them safely. Nothing kills a round like a triple bogey or worse. Think giving up a solo shot vs giving up a grand slam. As others have said, it's vitally important to develop a working short game starting with putting and chipping. Think about it this way: If you have confidence that you can simply get on the green and two putt consistently from anywhere within 30 yards of the green (with a shot at a par putt of some length along the way), then all you have to do to ensure a bogey with a shot at par is to get somewhere within a 80 yard by 80 yard area (a 20 yard by 20 yard green with a 30 yard buffer on all sides lets say) in regulation from a tee somewhere between 100 and 550 yards away. That's a huge margin of error from tee to greenside, and there are many options available on which path to take in order to minimize the risk of big numbers even while allowing for some minor mistakes along the way. If you make a mistake that you can't recover from, it's still relatively easy to recover and limit the damage by reaching your goal in regulation plus one. At that point you should have double bogey as a worst case scenario, with a shot at a bogey save along the way. The better your short game, the bigger your margin for error in all other aspects of your game.

In-shot relaxation is important because it is the key to executing naturally. Consistency/confidence/routines always help keep the nerves settled, but it also helps to keep moving and loose as much as possible up until the moment you begin your actual backswing. Motion begets fluid motion...motionlessness begets thinking and inhibits the natural flow and reaction of the body once you attempt to begin motion. Think about how fielders start moving before the ball is hit, not after it's hit. Developing a waggle and swing trigger can help smooth the transition between motionlessness to motion as well. In addition, it doesn't hurt to have swing thoughts to help regulate tempo or key certain aspects of your swing but I would certainly try and limit your thought to no more than two (maybe on for the backswing and one for the downswing) and I would recommend keeping them non-technical in nature. Maybe something like an image, or even a feeling. Avoid those "don't _______" thoughts, or even "do ______" thoughts as they get you focused on a specific mechanical issue or part of your swing. The only thing you should be focused on is your target, and the swing should be a continuous and natural execution of one comprehensive motion...not multiple executions of many separate events in sequential order.

Sorry for the long post. Also, if you're still looking for some more specific advice when it comes to putting or chipping I can offer some tips that might help. Honestly, both are pretty simple events in theory. First you find a line. Then you set yourself (especially your eyes) and your clubface square to that line. After that it's all a matter of getting your clubhead to move back and through in a manner that causes the ball to travel down that line. Clubhead speed (a product of tempo and the distance the clubhead travels) varies how far the ball moves down that line. With chipping, the loft of the clubhead used also adds a trajectory variable (more trajectory equals less roll after impact, as well as requiring more force to move the ball the same distance forward due to the addition of a vertical force vector). The more simply and reliably you can accomplish those things, the better.

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One other tip that might be worth trying if anyone is having trouble with their brain getting in the way...don't give it time to. Literally start you backswing as soon as that left foot, or which ever foot you plant last, is planted. This probably won't work the first time you try it because it will seem so odd to you but it can soon become second nature. I take a little more time now but there was a time when I used this and it worked quite well, especially in pressure situations. It forces your auto-pilot muscle memory to take over and doesn't give you any time to let doubt creep in. It really helps to have a pre-shot routine if you're going to use this method, down to the same number of steps approaching the ball each time. I also putted like this for a number of years and it happened to be the years that I putted my best. Not pointing this out to brag, rather than to show how well it can work, I was considered by quite a few people during those years to be the best, most consistent putter they knew of. What's equally cool about it is you casually stroll up to the ball, take one quick glance in the area of the hole and let it fly. You have to have complete faith in your instincts but it's unbelievable how well you can putt if you stop aiming and just let the putter go where your mind (subconscious?) lets it go. Plus you'll become a quick player, which everyone likes. I know it sounds kind of crazy but give it a chance, at least on the practice green. Maybe it's not for everyone but I know it's the method that gives me the best chance to succeed. Plus you look cool when you step up and bury a 15 footer without hardly taking a glance at the hole.

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Richie Allen wrote:One other tip that might be worth trying if anyone is having trouble with their brain getting in the way...don't give it time to. Literally start you backswing as soon as that left foot, or which ever foot you plant last, is planted. This probably won't work the first time you try it because it will seem so odd to you but it can soon become second nature. I take a little more time now but there was a time when I used this and it worked quite well, especially in pressure situations. It forces your auto-pilot muscle memory to take over and doesn't give you any time to let doubt creep in. It really helps to have a pre-shot routine if you're going to use this method, down to the same number of steps approaching the ball each time. I also putted like this for a number of years and it happened to be the years that I putted my best. Not pointing this out to brag, rather than to show how well it can work, I was considered by quite a few people during those years to be the best, most consistent putter they knew of. What's equally cool about it is you casually stroll up to the ball, take one quick glance in the area of the hole and let it fly. You have to have complete faith in your instincts but it's unbelievable how well you can putt if you stop aiming and just let the putter go where your mind (subconscious?) lets it go. Plus you'll become a quick player, which everyone likes. I know it sounds kind of crazy but give it a chance, at least on the practice green. Maybe it's not for everyone but I know it's the method that gives me the best chance to succeed. Plus you look cool when you step up and bury a 15 footer without hardly taking a glance at the hole.
For a while one of my pre-round putting drills was to walk up to the ball and lag it without even pausing to set a stance. I did it to help ingrain a feel for the speed of the greens because I found that I would have to approach the ball faster than my normal pace on slow greens to get it there, and slower on fast greens. That pace of approaching the ball stayed with me throughout the round and typically my speed was very good. I think I started it because I noticed that my speed was always great when I walked up and tapped one ball on the green over to another without stopping so I could pick them up at the same place. I've since adapted to simply walking toward the hole and rolling a ball up to it with my hand without breaking stride or taking my eyes off the target...it draws fewer stares and it seems to be even more effective because you take off-center face strikes out of the equation. You would be amazed how many of those rolls go in. Anyway, I only mention it to reinforce your excellent point that it's amazing what you can do when you get your mind out of the way and just let your body do its thing.

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JackofDiamonds wrote:
phinstd wrote:Do you two have any suggestions for a mid-90's golfer to take a few shots off his game? I'm currently decent at all aspects, but not "good" at any one aspect at all. I'm usually 225-250 off the tee box...pitching is extremely inconsistent. Putting is all over the place, and I don't have a great "feel" for the speed at all.

I play two to three times a month, and I really want to get under 90 this year, but have a serious habit of "blowing up" on a hole. My other big problem is chipping off a fairway from 20' and in. I seem to be able to chip out of the rough so much easier because the ball is sitting up in grass. I don't usually take a divet at all, and that might be part of my problem.

I've asked for lessons as my wedding gift, but that isn't until August, and it gets frustrating playing so much, but not getting any better really. I do not have a birdie yet this year, and playing a round of bogie golf makes me happy. I'm consistently a 5 or 6 on most holes...doesn't matter if it's a par 3 or a par 5.
You can see drastic improvements in your game from putting extra time in on the practice greens. Drive for show, put for dough. If you're blowing up on a hole, is it because you 4 putt or because you drive one in the pond, hit your approach short and into the bunker, chip over the green, chip back 20 ft away, and then 2 putt? Those are two very different issues.
I've been known to do both, but usually the latter is the problem in my blow ups.

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Thanks to everyone for the suggestions...I can't tell you how frustrated I get when I can't get my scores down.

I'm going to read through this again, and try and take some of the things with me I feel can work for me. The golf course beckons this weekend, and I'm going to putt and pitch for at least an hour beforehand. Hoping to get a little more consistent. I do have a really nice Cleveland 56 degree wedge that is my lifeline. I have started getting much better the more I play with that club.

Practice isn't nearly as much fun as the real thing, so I'm definitely going to try the putting game. I totally used to do this when I practiced free throws, 3 pt shooting, curls around a chair etc. and think it will be great for my impatient mind to stay focused during a practice round.

I know two of the main flaws I have is squeezing the club at the very last second before impact (I guess somehow thinking I'll hit the ball further if I tense up, which of course only slows the energy flowing through my body in my forearms and wrists), and I pull my head up trying to watch the ball after I hit it.

-PS- I few people apologized for the lengths of the posts, and that made me a chuckle. I can't tell you how much I appreciate a person spending their own valuable time to offer some help to an anonymous person on a message board. My sincere thanks to everyone again...

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