Update: HOLLIDAY A CARD 7yr/120 million, p178

[Radbird]

He even wears that hat when he's on the Rockies pre and post game shows on FS-RM.

[ghostrunner]

I can't believe people were taking this guy seriously.



Toss in a Sepia background and he looks like Leroy's buddy.

Ringolsby was a huge anti-"Moneyball" guy back in the day. He and Michael Lewis went at it in the media for a while.


http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/fil ... /jenkins4/

Tracy Ringolsby can’t stand “Moneyball”—the concept, the book, or the man who wrote it, Michael Lewis. As such, he’s ready to rip Beane every chance he gets. Ringolsby is also a Hall of Fame baseball writer and one of the game’s most respected voices over the past 30 years. It was interesting, then, to read his take on the Matt Holliday trade with St. Louis.

A bit of background: Shortly after the release of “Moneyball,” Ringolsby (then with the Rocky Mountain News) launched a searing attack on Lewis’ credibility. Aside from pointing out some (of many) factual errors in the book, Ringolsby cited some player-development evidence that Lewis chose to ignore. Getting wind of this, Jim Rome invited Lewis to appear on his ESPN television show. Looking like a complete lightweight (which he surely isn’t), Lewis greeted Ringolsby’s published attack with silly, forced laughter and called Ringolsby a “midget” in the business. That was a big mistake, and with his dreadfully elitist’s response, Lewis looked as if a stiff breeze would blow him right off camera—a difficult thing to witness, certainly, for any fan of his top-shelf writing.

Switch now to Monday, when Ringolsby addressed the Holliday trade in his FoxSports.com column. The issue we’re all trying to evaluate is the matter of (a) acquiring Holliday for Huston Street, Carlos Gonzalez and Greg Smith; and (b) unloading Holliday for Brett Wallace, Shane Peterson and Clayton Mortensen. Some, including FoxSports’ own Ken Rosenthal, have called this exchange the latest measure of Beane’s genius.

...Ringolsby went on to note Street’s value to the Rockies ("he has regained his late-inning magic) and adds that Wallace “is not in the same area code as Gonzalez in any category beyond power.” The truth is that nobody really has a clue how this will all turn out in the end. We certainly know, however, how Mr. Ringolsby feels about it.

[cardsfansince82]

6/105, no trade clause and an opt out after year five. Or 5/90 and a NTC. If that's not good enough then move on.

[Eephus Speed]

Having the option of opting out at age 35 probably doesn't have much appeal to Holliday.

[fanforever]

What all this says to me is that there doesn't seem to be much of a market for Holliday's services. I wouldn't give him any more than four years.

he did not have anyone in the Oakland Lineup and with the Rockies he had Helton and the Cards Pujols.

time to get tough and make it a take it or leave it offer and move on

[cardsfansince82]

Having the option of opting out at age 35 probably doesn't have much appeal to Holliday.

That's the right time for him to try to get one last multi-year deal if he's still a good player then. And everything I've seen said he wants an opt out around 5 years in.

[fanforever]

http://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN

# Sources: The Cardinals' offer to Holliday is believed to be over $100 million. 10 minutes ago from web

3:20pm: ESPN's Buster Olney tweets that the Cardinals' offer to Holliday "is believed to be over $100MM" (guaranteed, he tells me). Additionally, Ringolsby replied to my email and clarified that he's been told the Cards' eight-year, $140MM offer is guaranteed both in years and dollars

[Leroy]

Holy crap.

Either way, Albert's gonna make a lotta money.

[Eephus Speed]

Having the option of opting out at age 35 probably doesn't have much appeal to Holliday.

That's the right time for him to try to get one last multi-year deal if he's still a good player then. And everything I've seen said he wants an opt out around 5 years in.

32 or 33, I could see. 35 is pushing it.

[Michael]

I really hope we don't give him 8 years.