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TGantz wrote:Buzz Bissinger, Bernie's feelings, and Joe Strauss' honest reporting as sources. Hm...
Yeah, I sorta had the same reaction ... Bernie "has a feeling?" Strauss "speculated on his chat?" These don't even rise to the level of rumors.

That said, I can't say it is not plausible that TLR would decide Razzle is "not his kind of player," and move him. And while I think most of the sportsertainment personalities are almost complete bozos, I will say that Strauss, at least, is one of the bozos who actually goes into the clubhouse and locker room, actually talks to players, and actually speaks to TLR regularly. So at least he has some limited amount of first-hand interaction to base his speculation on.

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skmsw wrote:
TGantz wrote:Buzz Bissinger, Bernie's feelings, and Joe Strauss' honest reporting as sources. Hm...
Yeah, I sorta had the same reaction ... Bernie "has a feeling?" Strauss "speculated on his chat?" These don't even rise to the level of rumors.

That said, I can't say it is not plausible that TLR would decide Razzle is "not his kind of player," and move him. And while I think most of the sportsertainment personalities are almost complete bozos, I will say that Strauss, at least, is one of the bozos who actually goes into the clubhouse and locker room, actually talks to players, and actually speaks to TLR regularly. So at least he has some limited amount of first-hand interaction to base his speculation on.
Speaking as someone in STL who hears Bernie's radio show, and hears Strauss on the various radio shows, and reads both of them when I can... I think you've got 'em flip-flopped with credibility. Bernie's radio show is honest-to-goodness quite good. And he's in the clubhouse, as well.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say that as for STL sports personalities, Bernie's the only one with any credibility whatsoever. Maybe I just have a soft spot for him since he goes out of his way to put the Prospectus people on his radio show.

Strauss, OTOH, has a long track record of half-assed transparent attempts at throwing random crap against the wall trying to get fans riled up.

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JL21 wrote: Strauss, OTOH, has a long track record of half-assed transparent attempts at throwing random crap against the wall trying to get fans riled up.

Wasn't Strauss the one tweeted to stay up late for an announcement about the Cardinals that involved Holliday? And it was about the Cardinals talking to Holliday?

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cardslesson101 wrote:
JL21 wrote: Strauss, OTOH, has a long track record of half-assed transparent attempts at throwing random crap against the wall trying to get fans riled up.

Wasn't Strauss the one tweeted to stay up late for an announcement about the Cardinals that involved Holliday? And it was about the Cardinals talking to Holliday?
Something like that. I don't remember exactly what the event was, but it involved "HEY EVERYONE, NEWS AT MIDNIGHT!!!" and then the news was something like "Cardinals sign Ruben Gotay". Not that, specifically, but something that wasn't news at all. He does crap like that all the time. And then when people call him out for it, he gets pissy about it.

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JL21 wrote:
cardslesson101 wrote:
JL21 wrote: Strauss, OTOH, has a long track record of half-assed transparent attempts at throwing random crap against the wall trying to get fans riled up.

Wasn't Strauss the one tweeted to stay up late for an announcement about the Cardinals that involved Holliday? And it was about the Cardinals talking to Holliday?
Something like that. I don't remember exactly what the event was, but it involved "HEY EVERYONE, NEWS AT MIDNIGHT!!!" and then the news was something like "Cardinals sign Ruben Gotay". Not that, specifically, but something that wasn't news at all. He does crap like that all the time. And then when people call him out for it, he gets pissy about it.
I think 1 time he told everybody that big news was happening at midnight and I think he announced some [expletive] like he's posted a new article about nothing

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Peeps are buzzing!

Was it Bernie or Strauss who advised us to stay up late for a major personnel announcement, and it was that Adam Kennedy and his 625 OPS were going home (which had already been widely speculated earlier in the day)?

When I was living in STL, and otherwise following the local media closely, Bernie was a major drama queen, spent a lot of time behaving as if his own opinions and speculation were actual facts, and had no real access to the players. He misused data as much as or more than he used it. Maybe he's gotten a lot better from there; I'll defer to you there, I have little to go on, I really do not follow the mainstream "media" much.

I don't know much about Strauss. My only credit to him was that he actually has access. If Bernie does too, now, then that distinction doesn't differentiate them.

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skmsw wrote:Peeps are buzzing!

Was it Bernie or Strauss who advised us to stay up late for a major personnel announcement, and it was that Adam Kennedy and his 625 OPS were going home (which had already been widely speculated earlier in the day)?

When I was living in STL, and otherwise following the local media closely, Bernie was a major drama queen, spent a lot of time behaving as if his own opinions and speculation were actual facts, and had no real access to the players. He misused data as much as or more than he used it. Maybe he's gotten a lot better from there; I'll defer to you there, I have little to go on, I really do not follow the mainstream "media" much.

I don't know much about Strauss. My only credit to him was that he actually has access. If Bernie does too, now, then that distinction doesn't differentiate them.
Bernie seems to be getting a lot better...a lot. His radio show is my favorite sports radio show in St. Louis.

I couldn't stand him before because it seemed like he was trying to get on "Around the Horn" and had to be dramatic to gain attention.

I follow Goold a lot.

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TimeForGuinness wrote:
skmsw wrote:Peeps are buzzing!

Was it Bernie or Strauss who advised us to stay up late for a major personnel announcement, and it was that Adam Kennedy and his 625 OPS were going home (which had already been widely speculated earlier in the day)?

When I was living in STL, and otherwise following the local media closely, Bernie was a major drama queen, spent a lot of time behaving as if his own opinions and speculation were actual facts, and had no real access to the players. He misused data as much as or more than he used it. Maybe he's gotten a lot better from there; I'll defer to you there, I have little to go on, I really do not follow the mainstream "media" much.

I don't know much about Strauss. My only credit to him was that he actually has access. If Bernie does too, now, then that distinction doesn't differentiate them.
Bernie seems to be getting a lot better...a lot. His radio show is my favorite sports radio show in St. Louis.

I couldn't stand him before because it seemed like he was trying to get on "Around the Horn" and had to be dramatic to gain attention.

I follow Goold a lot.
++ For a while, Bernie was trying to be Jay Marriotti Heavy.

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Oh yeah, I forgot Goold. He's better than the entire lot.

Anyway, sorry for side-tracking the "I gave up on 2010" thread.

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They're not trading Rasmus. Teams don't trade away young cost-controlled players that can hit. Teams burdened with the Kyle Lohse contract that are also scrounging for nickels to pay Albert especially don't trade away young players like that. Rasmus is, on a per-dollar basis, the most valuable player they have.

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