Pharmacy raid implicates more players

taxman · Post by **taxman** » February 27 07, 3:12 pm

Popeye_Card wrote:
Hungary Jack wrote:Anyone here think the Angels might be a bit nervous?
Maybe, but I'm wondering if contracts these days might have out clauses for steroid suspensions and the like.

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MLB wouln't even approve a Giants clause terminating Bonds' contract if he went to jail. I seriously doubt there is a steroids out clause.

Popeye_Card · Post by **Popeye_Card** » February 27 07, 3:21 pm

taxman wrote:
Popeye_Card wrote:
Hungary Jack wrote:Anyone here think the Angels might be a bit nervous?
Maybe, but I'm wondering if contracts these days might have out clauses for steroid suspensions and the like.

--P--
MLB wouln't even approve a Giants clause terminating Bonds' contract if he went to jail. I seriously doubt there is a steroids out clause.

Forgot about that. You're probably right.

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Post by **heyzeus** » February 27 07, 3:28 pm

taxman wrote:
Popeye_Card wrote:
Hungary Jack wrote:Anyone here think the Angels might be a bit nervous?
Maybe, but I'm wondering if contracts these days might have out clauses for steroid suspensions and the like.

--P--
MLB wouln't even approve a Giants clause terminating Bonds' contract if he went to jail. I seriously doubt there is a steroids out clause.

Yeah, the Player's Association would be all over that.

Hungary Jack · Post by **Hungary Jack** » February 27 07, 3:38 pm

Popeye_Card wrote:
taxman wrote:
Popeye_Card wrote:
Hungary Jack wrote:Anyone here think the Angels might be a bit nervous?
Maybe, but I'm wondering if contracts these days might have out clauses for steroid suspensions and the like.

--P--
MLB wouln't even approve a Giants clause terminating Bonds' contract if he went to jail. I seriously doubt there is a steroids out clause.
Forgot about that. You're probably right.

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The Angels are probably praying that Matthews makes an overture to some undercover cop posing as a lady of the evening on some lonely night in Cleveland. That should be enough to get them out of that contract...

letsgocards89 · Post by **letsgocards89** » February 27 07, 3:51 pm

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that there will be very few implications of steroid or testestosterone-based drugs being bought and the majority of purchases will be ephedrine. I'm basing this on nothing but speculation, the strength of baseball's steroid policy, and the stupidness of an ephedrine ban.

Popeye_Card · Post by **Popeye_Card** » February 27 07, 4:09 pm

letsgocards89 wrote:I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that there will be very few implications of steroid or testestosterone-based drugs being bought and the majority of purchases will be ephedrine. I'm basing this on nothing but speculation, the strength of baseball's steroid policy, and the stupidness of an ephedrine ban.

Yeah. Gary Matthews Jr. looks like he has a tough time keeping the weight off.

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Post by **heyzeus** » February 27 07, 4:44 pm

letsgocards89 wrote:I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that there will be very few implications of steroid or testestosterone-based drugs being bought and the majority of purchases will be ephedrine. I'm basing this on nothing but speculation, the strength of baseball's steroid policy, and the stupidness of an ephedrine ban.

My guess would be HGH. (Most) players aren't dumb, and know that there isn't a test for growth hormone yet.

Phyrkrakr · Post by **Phyrkrakr** » February 27 07, 7:27 pm

heyzeus wrote:
letsgocards89 wrote:I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that there will be very few implications of steroid or testestosterone-based drugs being bought and the majority of purchases will be ephedrine. I'm basing this on nothing but speculation, the strength of baseball's steroid policy, and the stupidness of an ephedrine ban.
My guess would be HGH. (Most) players aren't dumb, and know that there isn't a test for growth hormone yet.

There is a test, but MLB hasn't adopted it. The one that IOC uses is blood based, and the player's association will only allow urine based testing. That catches (some) steroids, but not HGH, as far as I know.

a_smith · Post by **a_smith** » February 27 07, 10:14 pm

Phyrkrakr wrote:
heyzeus wrote:
letsgocards89 wrote:I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that there will be very few implications of steroid or testestosterone-based drugs being bought and the majority of purchases will be ephedrine. I'm basing this on nothing but speculation, the strength of baseball's steroid policy, and the stupidness of an ephedrine ban.
My guess would be HGH. (Most) players aren't dumb, and know that there isn't a test for growth hormone yet.
There is a test, but MLB hasn't adopted it. The one that IOC uses is blood based, and the player's association will only allow urine based testing. That catches (some) steroids, but not HGH, as far as I know.

You are right about the blood test and the union.
Well there is a test, it just doesnt work very effectively--for example they did not catch a single athlete using HGH at the Athens Olympics.

In fact, the test for HGH that is effective--note only for use within the previous 10 days-- wont be available until 2008.
Athenshttp://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070210/sp_afp/dopingusahgh_070210002119

NEW YORK (AFP) - A reliable test for human growth hormone (HGH) will be available worldwide by the start of next year, US Anti-Doping Agency USADA senior managing director Larry Bowers told the New York Daily News.

The newspaper reported Friday that a long-sought dependable HGH test has been developed by researchers and another test being created could detect HGH in an athlete up to 10 days after the banned performance enhancer is ingested.

Bowers said that random testing would be critical in using the finalized test to catch HGH dope cheats because it could only detect HGH in the body for a few days.

"No advance notice is crucial," Bowers told the News. "The limitation on that test is that there's only a couple of days' window."

Bowers said he expects a test that can register HGH for up to 10 days to be available around the world by the middle of next year.

Also in the works from USADA, Bowers said, are athlete "profiles" that would measure levels of natural bodily substances such as testosterone, cholesterol, hemoglobin and steroids.

Jumps in such levels could suggest an athlete is using banned substances while long-term consistent levels would indicate an athlete is clean, Bowers said.

letsgocards89 · Post by **letsgocards89** » February 27 07, 10:14 pm

heyzeus wrote:
letsgocards89 wrote:I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that there will be very few implications of steroid or testestosterone-based drugs being bought and the majority of purchases will be ephedrine. I'm basing this on nothing but speculation, the strength of baseball's steroid policy, and the stupidness of an ephedrine ban.
My guess would be HGH. (Most) players aren't dumb, and know that there isn't a test for growth hormone yet.

That's a good theory. I just can't believe it'd be simple steroids. Could players really be THAT dumb?