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Re: Rich Hill vs Adam Wainwright part 2
Posted: August 29 07, 1:03 pm
by Asmodai
it was rich hill at the beginning of the season and it is still rich hill
Re: Rich Hill vs Adam Wainwright part 2
Posted: August 29 07, 1:32 pm
by Joe Shlabotnik
jim wrote:AW. But maybe I'm being influenced by a couple of outs that stick in my mind.
Took the words right out of my mouth.
Where's the "I'll take both" choice?
Re: Rich Hill vs Adam Wainwright part 2
Posted: August 29 07, 1:33 pm
by Fat Strat
Ok. It's pretty much impossible for me not to vote Wainwright, just because of my opinion of him after having watched him pitch for two years now. He's been impressive to say the least.
From an objective standpoint, Hill, though, is probably the better pick. Either way I think you're going to get a quality #2 starter.
Re: Rich Hill vs Adam Wainwright part 2
Posted: August 29 07, 1:51 pm
by maddash
A few more stats. Hill has given up 24 HRs to Adam's 11. Adam is arguably the second best hitting pitcher in the NL (looks like Owings will run away with the SS award), and he's light years ahead of Hill.
Rich Hill's FIP - 4.34
Adam's FIP - 3.86
I'd say this year is a wash, but I'd take Hill long term.
Re: Rich Hill vs Adam Wainwright part 2
Posted: August 29 07, 1:57 pm
by lukethedrifter
Wainwright - 26g, 12-9, 163.3 IP, 113 k, 56 bb, 3.86 era, 111 era+, 1.42 whip;
.314/.396/.710 ops. 33.0 VORP (rank - 37th)
Hill - 26g, 8-7, 161.3 ip, 154 so, 51 bb, 3.68 era, 122 era+, 1.17 whip; .157/.180/.337 ops. 34.0 VORP (rank - 32nd)
zat right?
Re: Rich Hill vs Adam Wainwright part 2
Posted: August 29 07, 2:03 pm
by The Third Man
That's OBP/SLG/OPS, not AVG/OBP/SLG.
Re: Rich Hill vs Adam Wainwright part 2
Posted: August 29 07, 2:07 pm
by lukethedrifter
Hill's is pretty impressive.
Re: Rich Hill vs Adam Wainwright part 2
Posted: August 29 07, 2:10 pm
by Popeye_Card
lukethedrifter wrote:Hill's is pretty impressive.
Hill's certainly cannot be right. He would have a 0.21 ERA if that were the case.
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Re: Rich Hill vs Adam Wainwright part 2
Posted: August 29 07, 2:11 pm
by Cronos
It's so close, I really had a tough time making a final decision.
-With most all of the statistics, Hill is the better choice: K/9, WHIP, etc, though his homeruns allowed rate is higher.
-Wainwright has proven he can do it in the pressure of the grandest stage in baseball, Hill hasn't(though he hasn't had the chance, yet).
-Wainwright struggled mightily at several points in the beginning of the season where Hill has been pretty steady throughout, though Wainwright's health was in question at various points in the early going.
-Wainwright is clearly the better bat.
-Wainwright has perhaps the most beautiful curve ball I've ever seen. Rich Hill's is awesome as well, though.
-Rich Hill is older than Adam Wainwright.
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I just barely vote Adam Wainwright, in conclusion. But it's extremely close.
Re: Rich Hill vs Adam Wainwright part 2
Posted: August 29 07, 2:16 pm
by The Third Man
Hill's OBP/SLG/OPS is .302/.393/.695.