arnie.k wrote:why are you all so business like about this? sure, it may not be the wisest "business" decision. but, there's a human aspect to all of this, and this club has shown over years that it appreciates loyalty. how can anyone be opposed to giving an extension to this guy?
I love the Cardinals more than any one player. On the flip side haven't the Cardinals been very good and loyal to him? I'm still not sure it's a bad business decision, but it's certainly an interesting one. I have mixed feelings.
BTW I'm not slamming Carp here, I really do love the guy and I want to see him retire a Cardinal.
yea. they have been loyal, and they keep on being loyal (that's how lasting relationships work - and i too join in the hope that he retires a card. i totally have a man-crush on him ). same with jimmy and making sure he retires a card.
i think they are making a point of wanting to keep this core together, and i think that's how you earn those "hometown discounts" that players will give you once in a while. i'm pretty sure this scores very high with the right kind of players (those who do it for love of the game)
People really think Boras will look at this extension and tell his free agents they should sign witht he Cardinals for less because they value loyalty? Good PR may be good for college recruiting, but in the pro's the best PR is dollar signs. So I don't really see the PR advantage.
The Cardinals have never given out a 5 year contract to a pitcher before, but yes if I were to give one Carpenter would be a good choice. Though we did get him after major surgery, he did have a (fluke) injury the following year, and he did miss sometime this year with an injury. And this contract takes him through the age of 36.
Yes I like having Carpenter (he's my favorite player), but with 2 years left on the contract, I just think it was an unnecessary risk to extend him so soon.
whyhellothere wrote:People really think Boras will look at this extension and tell his free agents they should sign witht he Cardinals for less because they value loyalty? Good PR may be good for college recruiting, but in the pro's the best PR is dollar signs. So I don't really see the PR advantage.
The Cardinals have never given out a 5 year contract to a pitcher before, but yes if I were to give one Carpenter would be a good choice. Though we did get him after major surgery, he did have a (fluke) injury the following year, and he did miss sometime this year with an injury. And this contract takes him through the age of 36.
Yes I like having Carpenter (he's my favorite player), but with 2 years left on the contract, I just think it was an unnecessary risk to extend him so soon.
Yes, I think that an organization's reputation comes into play, at some point during negotiations. It's probably not a HUGE factor, but it can play a part. Baseball players talk. Players like Edmonds, McGwire, and Carpenter have publicly stated their gratitude for what St. Louis has done for them. That's good PR....... I don't care how you look at it. Furthermore, it makes me proud, as a fan, to hear those things (especially in a world of baseball that's littered with so much negative PR these days).
I like that my team is showing that they're committed to keeping the core of the team together. Many many many organizations don't make the slightest effort to do that.
whyhellothere wrote:Can anyone give me an example of when another pitcher's contract has been extended 2 years before the original deal was over?
Roy Oswalt signed a 5-year contract, even though the Astros still owned his rights for 2 more years.
His extension, by the way, was 5 years, $73 mil. So it's similar to Carpenter's contract.
Oswalt was signed through next year, not through 2008
The only way it matters is if Carpenter is injured next year. If he's not, his value could go up again.
Oswalt at 5/73 with a 16 million option for the 6th year. Carpenter 5/65 with a 12 million dollar for the 6th year. This is a great contract.
It's a great contract because it was signed a year earlier. Besides Oswalt is younger. I really don't see a major discount here.
What was signed a year earlier? I'm not sure what you mean. Oswalt's contract was signed in August of this year.
Both Carpenter and Oswalt signed 5 year contracts this year. Oswalt's is worth almost $15 mil per year, and Carpenter's is worth $13 mil per year. Oswalt is 2 years younger. I'm not sure that's a huge factor. Oswalt and Carpenter are virtually the same pitcher, and Carpenter is signed for almost $2 mil less per year. I'd say it's a good deal.
). same with jimmy and making sure he retires a card.
