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Are there different levels of drunk? Sure. Was he at the low end? Sure. Does that excuse what he did? Absolutely not. Should he be prosecuted and if convicted, punished? Without a doubt.

Should this in any way affect the season, the play on the field, our push for a postseason run? Almost certainly not.

RC summed it up pretty well when he said that most of the players are probably just reminded that it could easily have happened to him, and they will probably spend most of the summer tormenting La Russa about it.

Oh, and just as a side note, if they had stationed police outside the stadium after we won the division, the NLDS, the NLCS, or the World Series they probably could have given a dozen Cardinal players DUI's. The media might make a big deal out of this, and it is a big deal, but I don't think it will affect what happens on the field or in the clubhouse.

Popeye_Card wrote:

jim wrote:
The problem was he allegedly was drunk behind the wheel. I'm not saying he should be fired, I'm just saying don't give him a pass. If he is guilty, I hope he is prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

I hope he is prosecuted too, just like any other individual would be. You get caught, you pay the price.

But part of that price is not getting fired, IMO. Or losing respect in the workplace. If I got a DUI this weekend (which I don't plan on doing, BTW), I would hope that I don't get fired, or that my co-workers lose all respect for me.

--P--

I agree.

It's very simple to me. Allegedly: He was drunk and behind the wheel. It doesn't really matter to me what his actual level was, it was over the legal limit and he was passed out. That's it, he broke a very serious law and put him and the community in harms way. He should pay a very steep price for this. And he will if he is convicted, and them some because he is in the pubics eye.

As far as his co-workers losing respect, he can only control that so much. But how he handles himself now and in the upcoming days will have alot to do with that.

So, to summarize:
- No excuses.
- If he really did blow over the limit then he broke a very serious law and should be punished.
- I think he can continue to be a fine manager regardless of this incident.

skmsw wrote:

MaskedMan wrote:

MDCardsFan wrote:

skmsw wrote:

Whatever he did, in whatever combination, was enough to result in him sitting in a running vehicle in the middle of the street. The ESPN report says that the .093 came in the station, which was extremely likely to be at least 90 minutes after his last drink. So it is not the 0.093 that "made" him pass out in the middle of the street in a running vehicle; it was obviously much higher. If he blew .093 in the station, he was likely to have been at least 106 when they found him, and at least 110 when he got behind the wheel. At least.

Not making light of the seriousness of the offense, but the above paragraph is simply not true as there is absolutely no way to prove any of the assumptions you make. In fact, we can't even consider them likely.

wow, you're catching on fast

1) a cheap shot from masked Man -- who has come on this forum and made (admitted) drunken tirades of his own -- what a surprise.

2) Actually, most of my assumptions regarding what we've seen in the reports are sound. If you'd rather read wikipedia and assume that a quoted range of 15 minutes to two hours means that we can safely assume that it was two hours in TLR's case, that's fine. While you are 100% right that I am making some assumptions, and that I have absolutely no proof, in my day job I actually happen to have some professional expertise in this area.

RC21 wrote:Let's keep it friendly please.

I apologize in advance and will back off.

1. true about drunken tirades, false about cheap shots, just stating facts, not trying to do anything but agree with the keen observations of that poster...some people see things as they are, that's all

StL Dan wrote:

I_Bleed_Red wrote:For a guy who always talks about doing things the "Cardinal Way" and how we have mentioned before how great it is to have a team of clean cut guys on the team that don't get in trouble with the law and this to happen. This is not good.

I know I will get flamed for this, but I just lost respect for TLR. I wouldn't even mind him being fired over this. Flame away if you wish, but that is all I have to say on this subject.

A part of me holds the same opinion, IBR.

BTW....good to see you back. Where have you been?

I can understand being upset, but I don't see any hypocrisy here. Tony has never been someone who has held himself or his team to some sort of moral standard above others. I'm not sure that the Cardinal way means anything more than hustling, playing the game a certain way, and conducting yourself in the clubhouse a certain way. Bringing on Sidney Ponson and Ryan Franklin, among others, isn't exactly requiring your team members to be super clean-cut.

I guess Antonio didn't get any sleep last night.

I think, and have for a while , that the legal limit is too low. So I don't consider this a big deal.

Please do not hear this as a continuation of talking about LaRussa. And please don't hear it as a criticism of your opinion. In the case of the quotre above I am honestly trying to understand.

In this case, we have a man who fell asleep at the wheel, with the engine running, in the middle of the street, so that traffic was having to go around him. What about that suggests that the limit should be higher?

am i the only one that doesn't think it's that big of a deal?

Seriously, this thread is going to lead to nothing but trouble.

Alcohol consuption in the United States has been a hot topic for years. Having any sort of opinion on those who do not condone drinking while driving whatsoever or those who are more leanient towards the action won't lead to any productive discussion on this board.

If you want to criticize someone for their opinions on drinking, then do it somewhere else. Leave this thread for discussing TLR.

plz k thnx.

jim wrote:
The problem was he allegedly was drunk behind the wheel. I'm not saying he should be fired, I'm just saying don't give him a pass. If he is guilty, I hope he is prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Heh, I don't. I hope he gets a reduced plea and probation just like any average Joe with a decent lawyer. I don't believe in this whole "he's famous so he can't get a break" BS.

omaha_red wrote:am i the only one that doesn't think it's that big of a deal?

Driving intoxicated is a big deal. But it's no bigger, or no worse, than my neighbor who got nailed about 5 years ago.