maddash wrote:
You've created some weird paradox where you feel you can get away with saying "some of them are fine", while also saying that you don't have the time to make a distinction between the vulgar rappers and clean ones.
I don't think you can have it both ways.
It's the same as anything else. Like I said, I don't know all of the kids that hang around at the park at night. I do know that there's been a lot of vandalism down there. I'm sure some of the kids are fine. I don't have the time or inclination to go down to the park and get to know them all.
If that's the case, then you are by definition speaking from ignorance, and really aren't in the position to generalize the group (genre) fairly.
There's nothing ignorant about it. I already stated that some rap is probably fine, and some is horrific. How is that generalizing the whole genre unfairly?
You admit as much that you don't know all of the kids within the park... how is that NOT ignorance? You're making distinctions about things that you're lacking information on. That's "speaking from ignorance" and being unfair.
How can you both say that "some rap is probably fine", but "there's no other music genre that's as inappropriate for the general public to be exposed to as rap is"? I don't understand that.
Like I said, you're trying to create some paradox where you can make uninformed judgments about an entire genre while still giving the appearance of fairness by stating "some rap is probably fine". Either the genre of rap is diverse (and therefor NOT subject to labels of inappropriatness), or it's NOT diverse and therefor subject to these general labels. Which one is it?
Socnorb11 wrote:How is that an appropriate anaology. I don't follow. I've seen and heard enough about Pujols and Miles to know that one is good and one is bad.
In the analogy, you're basing the conclusion on 3 games- nowhere near enough information.
I've listened to enough country music to know there's NOTHING as in inappropriate as some of the lyrics that I've seen from rap.
Nothing? Really? David Allan Coe?
Link me to the most inappropriate David Allan Coe lyrics that you can find. I'll link you to some rap lyrics. I doubt if there's much comparison.
You're right in the baseball analogy. There wouldn't be enough information. However, that's not a good analogy. I know enough about country music to know that there's nothing as bad as a few of the rap lyrics that I've seen. I've got plenty of information to conclude that.
Socnorb11 wrote:How is that an appropriate anaology. I don't follow. I've seen and heard enough about Pujols and Miles to know that one is good and one is bad.
In the analogy, you're basing the conclusion on 3 games- nowhere near enough information.
I've listened to enough country music to know there's NOTHING as in inappropriate as some of the lyrics that I've seen from rap.
Nothing? Really? David Allan Coe?
Link me to the most inappropriate David Allan Coe lyrics that you can find. I'll link you to some rap lyrics. I doubt if there's much comparison.
You're right in the baseball analogy. There wouldn't be enough information. However, that's not a good analogy. I know enough about country music to know that there's nothing as bad as a few of the rap lyrics that I've seen. I've got plenty of information to conclude that.
maddash wrote:
You've created some weird paradox where you feel you can get away with saying "some of them are fine", while also saying that you don't have the time to make a distinction between the vulgar rappers and clean ones.
I don't think you can have it both ways.
It's the same as anything else. Like I said, I don't know all of the kids that hang around at the park at night. I do know that there's been a lot of vandalism down there. I'm sure some of the kids are fine. I don't have the time or inclination to go down to the park and get to know them all.
If that's the case, then you are by definition speaking from ignorance, and really aren't in the position to generalize the group (genre) fairly.
There's nothing ignorant about it. I already stated that some rap is probably fine, and some is horrific. How is that generalizing the whole genre unfairly?
You admit as much that you don't know all of the kids within the park... how is that NOT ignorance? You're making distinctions about things that you're lacking information on. That's "speaking from ignorance" and being unfair.
How can you both say that "some rap is probably fine", but "there's no other music genre that's as inappropriate for the general public to be exposed to as rap is"? I don't understand that.
Like I said, you're trying to create some paradox where you can make uninformed judgments about an entire genre while still giving the appearance of fairness by stating "some rap is probably fine". Either the genre of rap is diverse (and therefor NOT subject to labels of inappropriatness), or it's NOT diverse and therefor subject to these general labels. Which one is it?
I'm sure it's quite diverse.
And I've heard quite a bit of rap that's inappropriate, which has turned me off to the genre as a whole. Maybe it's my loss. So be it.
maddash wrote:
You've created some weird paradox where you feel you can get away with saying "some of them are fine", while also saying that you don't have the time to make a distinction between the vulgar rappers and clean ones.
I don't think you can have it both ways.
It's the same as anything else. Like I said, I don't know all of the kids that hang around at the park at night. I do know that there's been a lot of vandalism down there. I'm sure some of the kids are fine. I don't have the time or inclination to go down to the park and get to know them all.
If that's the case, then you are by definition speaking from ignorance, and really aren't in the position to generalize the group (genre) fairly.
There's nothing ignorant about it. I already stated that some rap is probably fine, and some is horrific. How is that generalizing the whole genre unfairly?
You admit as much that you don't know all of the kids within the park... how is that NOT ignorance? You're making distinctions about things that you're lacking information on. That's "speaking from ignorance" and being unfair.
How can you both say that "some rap is probably fine", but "there's no other music genre that's as inappropriate for the general public to be exposed to as rap is"? I don't understand that.
Like I said, you're trying to create some paradox where you can make uninformed judgments about an entire genre while still giving the appearance of fairness by stating "some rap is probably fine". Either the genre of rap is diverse (and therefor NOT subject to labels of inappropriatness), or it's NOT diverse and therefor subject to these general labels. Which one is it?
I'm sure it's quite diverse.
And I've heard quite a bit of rap that's inappropriate, which has turned me off to the genre as a whole. Maybe it's my loss. So be it.
But you at least see how making a general label about a diverse group is at least unfair to those within that group, right?
Socnorb11 wrote:
Do you honestly think it's as inappropriate as some of the raping, cop-killing, prostitution and "penis" songs that rappers do?
I've listened to a lot of rap in my day, and I can't recall a single song glorifying rape.
Anti-cop songs are generally about rascist cops, of which there are plenty.
OK, there are plenty of references to "hos" and "pimps" in rap songs. But I'm fairly certain they aren't actually referring to the escort service industry.
I don't think the folks hanging testicles on their hitches are big rap fans. Which is more vulgar--songs or rubber testicles in plain view?
