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docellis wrote:

flurry of face-to-face meetings among Cardinals Chairman Bill DeWitt Jr., general manager John Mozeliak and Holliday's agent, Scott Boras, in Austin, Texas. Holliday, who had not spoken directly with Cardinals officials during his free agency, also briefly attended.

That's not uncommon.

haltz wrote:Let's say he puts up a 140 OPS+ for the next five years and the market inflates substantially. It's going to be very painful when he opts out. Maybe he puts up numbers, opts out, and then is terrible for two years (or three or whenever it is)? I guess that's possible. He could also get hit by a bus and we pay him $120M for nothing.

I actually don't think it's an unreasonable assumption to think he'll be substantially better from age 30 to 34 than he'll be from 35 to 36. His leaving and allowing us to put that money somewhere else doesn't strike the kind of fear into me that being hamstrung by an Encarnacion or Kennedy-like contract does. It's a 5 year contract with the possibility of an additional year or two. Do you really think he's going to go into the tank that bad? There's obviously more options, probably much more realistic, than rake and tank. I think we'll be able to weather the storm of two more years of Holliday is, God forbid, he decides not to opt out.

haltz wrote:I don't know how else to say it. We're committing to him either way, but the only way we see him in those years is if he sucks.

Or if he's the much more likely, somewhere between "sucking" and being an elite all star that demands 28 year old HOFer money at the age of 35. Or simply decides he'll stick with the current team as he only has a couple years left and his hundreds of millions don't actually need an additional two or three to supplement it.

planet pujolsian wrote:As impatient as we (diehard fans) are, I'm impressed by Mo sticking to his guns. This is his managerial moment, soon to be followed by Pujols' negotiations.

Has he? Some here would argue that we're bidding against ourselves and throwing multiple millions more than is necessary to sign him.

I'm missing something, why are they in Austin? Did they get stuck in traffic or something?

greenback44 wrote:I'm missing something, why are they in Austin? Did they get stuck in traffic or something?

Matt and his family are currently living there

Matt holliday lives in Austin. It's a great city.

beerman wrote:Matt holliday lives in Austin. It's a great city.

Let us know if you Matt at the airport.

beerman wrote:Matt holliday lives in Austin. It's a great city.

I think I remember hearing he lives on the same street at Ryan Ludwick who helped him find the place

Michael wrote:

docellis wrote:

flurry of face-to-face meetings among Cardinals Chairman Bill DeWitt Jr., general manager John Mozeliak and Holliday's agent, Scott Boras, in Austin, Texas. Holliday, who had not spoken directly with Cardinals officials during his free agency, also briefly attended.

That's not uncommon.

I assume so. I thought that the fact that he was in attendance was worth noting.

Richie Allen wrote:

planet pujolsian wrote:As impatient as we (diehard fans) are, I'm impressed by Mo sticking to his guns. This is his managerial moment, soon to be followed by Pujols' negotiations.

Has he? Some here would argue that we're bidding against ourselves and throwing multiple millions more than is necessary to sign him.

that argument was when we were talking 5 years $98.5 million. The current rumors have it back down to the $17-18 million a year range, which most of us are happy with and feel like Mo stuck to his guns when he could have bid himself up to the aforementioned 5 year $98.5 million range.