InvincibleCakeEater wrote:I wasn't a big fan of the speech, but she didn't do anything to hurt herself. I think for people that were on the fence, her speech tonight had no impact. Very little substance.
Oh, it did something for the people on the fence. It knocked them to the Obama side. Tonight was such a partisan hit job that it was hard to watch at times. McCain is losing independents by a huge margin and the polls have reflected it. And this isn't gonna help.
Which polls are those? All the ones I've seen lately have shown McCain gaining. I don't put much stock in them, but I don't think that's true. If there has been a bump for Obama in the last week, that happens after every convention.
Gallup has shown that McCain has lost ground dramatically with Independents since the Palin pick.
JG1982 wrote:
PujolJunkie wrote:
InvincibleCakeEater wrote:I wasn't a big fan of the speech, but she didn't do anything to hurt herself. I think for people that were on the fence, her speech tonight had no impact. Very little substance.
Oh, it did something for the people on the fence. It knocked them to the Obama side. Tonight was such a partisan hit job that it was hard to watch at times. McCain is losing independents by a huge margin and the polls have reflected it. And this isn't gonna help.
The arrogance here is laughable
Give me a reason not to be arrogant about having a man like Barack Obama represent my beliefs. Give me a reason not to be optimistic that for the first time in my life, I've found a political figure that speaks to me, not over me. Give me a reason not to be "arrogant" that everything that I've believed in in my life is being represented by a man who I think represents the American Dream to a tee. I'm not arrogant. I'm proud.
InvincibleCakeEater wrote:I wasn't a big fan of the speech, but she didn't do anything to hurt herself. I think for people that were on the fence, her speech tonight had no impact. Very little substance.
Oh, it did something for the people on the fence. It knocked them to the Obama side. Tonight was such a partisan hit job that it was hard to watch at times. McCain is losing independents by a huge margin and the polls have reflected it. And this isn't gonna help.
Which polls are those? All the ones I've seen lately have shown McCain gaining. I don't put much stock in them, but I don't think that's true. If there has been a bump for Obama in the last week, that happens after every convention.
Gallup has shown that McCain has lost ground dramatically with Independents since the Palin pick.
JG1982 wrote:
PujolJunkie wrote:
InvincibleCakeEater wrote:I wasn't a big fan of the speech, but she didn't do anything to hurt herself. I think for people that were on the fence, her speech tonight had no impact. Very little substance.
Oh, it did something for the people on the fence. It knocked them to the Obama side. Tonight was such a partisan hit job that it was hard to watch at times. McCain is losing independents by a huge margin and the polls have reflected it. And this isn't gonna help.
The arrogance here is laughable
Give me a reason not to be arrogant about having a man like Barack Obama represent my beliefs. Give me a reason not to be optimistic that for the first time in my life, I've found a political figure that speaks to me, not over me. Give me a reason not to be "arrogant" that everything that I've believed in in my life is being represented by a man who I think represents the American Dream to a tee. I'm not arrogant. I'm proud.
There's a difference between what you described and how you're acting..
Let's not print those Dewey Defeats Truman newspapers just yet...and that's exactly what you're doing
It was a good speech, well delivered and timed to a good crowd reaction.
The substance of the speech energized the Republican base and is giving them a reason to fight for this ticket.
I also think that this VP pick, speech, views, etc.... will energize most of the rest of the Hillary voters to come over to the Obama camp.
IF the McCain camp can get voters to look past all of the skeletons in Palin's closet (what a dumb move not vetting her fully) then they have achieved the goal of motivating the GOP base.
So what does this do for the election? Since more people identify themselves as democrats this election cycle, it will be an uphill battle for McCain to pick up even more independent voters. I think Obama will win the election with this crowd.
There is a wildcard, how many people won't vote for a woman, and how many people won't vote for an African American. How many of those people simply won't vote, and how many will vote for the other side because of this issue. The question isn't IF this will happen, but how many on each side. I think if there is one thing that we can all agree on on this board, is that we all hope that the election isn't decided by intolerance of race or gender.
One of the funniest moments for me was when she was saying that she was for more jobs in the USofA....then she told the story about cutting back the private jet and the cook in the governors mansion.
InvincibleCakeEater wrote:I wasn't a big fan of the speech, but she didn't do anything to hurt herself. I think for people that were on the fence, her speech tonight had no impact. Very little substance.
Oh, it did something for the people on the fence. It knocked them to the Obama side. Tonight was such a partisan hit job that it was hard to watch at times. McCain is losing independents by a huge margin and the polls have reflected it. And this isn't gonna help.
Which polls are those? All the ones I've seen lately have shown McCain gaining. I don't put much stock in them, but I don't think that's true. If there has been a bump for Obama in the last week, that happens after every convention.
Gallup has shown that McCain has lost ground dramatically with Independents since the Palin pick.
JG1982 wrote:
PujolJunkie wrote:
InvincibleCakeEater wrote:I wasn't a big fan of the speech, but she didn't do anything to hurt herself. I think for people that were on the fence, her speech tonight had no impact. Very little substance.
Oh, it did something for the people on the fence. It knocked them to the Obama side. Tonight was such a partisan hit job that it was hard to watch at times. McCain is losing independents by a huge margin and the polls have reflected it. And this isn't gonna help.
The arrogance here is laughable
Give me a reason not to be arrogant about having a man like Barack Obama represent my beliefs. Give me a reason not to be optimistic that for the first time in my life, I've found a political figure that speaks to me, not over me. Give me a reason not to be "arrogant" that everything that I've believed in in my life is being represented by a man who I think represents the American Dream to a tee. I'm not arrogant. I'm proud.
More power to you. That's why we have a democracy. But if Obama is such your dream guy, why would you even watch tonight? To laugh at your opponent? I'm not trying to be condescending, it's a genuine question.
PujolJ: it's true what you said about the movement of independents but it's impossible to dissect what is the cause. It could have more to do with Obama's speech and the post-convention 'bounce', and little if anything to do with Palin. What is true, I believe, is that the Republicans thought they had scored a coup in the announcement of Palin. The story was such a surprise that the news coverage immediately went blank on Obama's very highly touted speech and all talk and attention was on Palin. That must have been a good thing, except they didn't anticipate all of the questions that would come out. It worked in their favor for about 24 hours and then all that attention began to work against them.
I still think Palin was a horrible choice and it will hurt the McCain ticket a lot more than it helps, but that's just my opinion and whether or not that happens remains to be seen.
tothebeach08 wrote:Most of the people who have posted here weren't going to like her speech tonight regardless of what she said. They don't write their own speeches anyway.
How true is this
Objectivity is dead
Oh, yes. It's partisanship that keeps me from saying she did a good job. Not the fact that she stood on a stage and spoke like she had accomplished something, downing a man's service to the people of his state instead of selling out and going to Wall Street. Not the fact that she lied to millions of people on National Television about her support of the Bridge to Nowhere. Not the fact that she attacked the man's wife after John McCain has [expletive], moaned and cried about the attacks against her family. Not the fact that she shamelessly attacked the same man she supported as "Change and against the status-quo." But partisanship.
If she would have spoken like a moderate, I would have given her a hat tip. But she spoke in terms of classical right wing talking points. Just like 9Giul1ian1i did. Just like Huckabee did.
I try to stay objective and listen to both sides before I vote. But I'll be honest...I usually vote Democrat, but I've been known to vote for Republicans.
