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Posted: April 3 07, 2:37 pm
by skmsw
The Third Man wrote:Taking him out of the 6th would be babying him. 111 is maybe a little high but they were easy pitches.
In April, at age 20? Gotta disagree with you there . . .

Posted: April 3 07, 2:46 pm
by The Third Man
The difference is that he's already been in the majors for two years.

Posted: April 3 07, 4:26 pm
by skmsw
The Third Man wrote:The difference is that he's already been in the majors for two years.
That has nothing to do with it. He hasn't even turned 21 yet. Heavy workloads before the age of about 25 are associated with injuries and loss of effectiveness.

Posted: April 3 07, 7:03 pm
by The Third Man
I don't disagree but I don't think his workload has been "heavy" and I think the Mariners are definitely being careful with him, but at some point he does have to build up some durability and longevity. I'd say he should've been brought out after, say, the 7th...the 6th, he only had like 85 pitches.

Posted: April 3 07, 7:54 pm
by Socnorb11
The Third Man wrote:I don't disagree but I don't think his workload has been "heavy" and I think the Mariners are definitely being careful with him, but at some point he does have to build up some durability and longevity. I'd say he should've been brought out after, say, the 7th...the 6th, he only had like 85 pitches.
I agree. Pitch count isn't nearly as abusive as letting a pitcher "labor" on the mound. King Felix was cruising. I thought that Zambrano's 92 pitches in only 5 innings yesterday was far more troubling than Hernandez' 111.

Posted: April 3 07, 9:00 pm
by skmsw
85 pitches for a 20-year old on Opening Day sounds about right to me. You do not build stamina by getting overworked.

Posted: April 3 07, 9:07 pm
by Transmogrified Tiger
skmsw wrote:85 pitches for a 20-year old on Opening Day sounds about right to me. You do not build stamina by getting overworked.
He was only at 74 after 6. He pitched himself in and out of some trouble in the 7th, I would've pulled after that inning myself.

Posted: April 4 07, 6:58 am
by Leeyat
cabby7588 wrote:He may be the next great pitcher in this league. I'd still rather have Marquis though.
I think you made the good decision, :wink:

Posted: April 4 07, 10:49 pm
by thrill
Add Rich Harden to the list of guys to watch. 7ip, 3h, 7k's and was routinely sitting 98-99 with his fastball.

Posted: April 4 07, 10:52 pm
by JohnnyJay
thrill wrote:Add Rich Harden to the list of guys to watch. 7ip, 3h, 7k's and was routinely sitting 98-99 with his fastball.
I'm starting to think that you're an A's fan above all else thrill!

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