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MrCrowesGarden wrote:Not entirely related to the thread at hand, but J10 is a decent enough hand to take down aces.

It can take down aces, but it's not real likely. It's 4-1 or so.

MrCrowesGarden wrote:Not entirely related to the thread at hand, but J10 is a decent enough hand to take down aces.

well as haltz said (I think, Too lazy to look) he was short stacked and would probably go all in as soon as he saw a face card.

What's the best hand to have against Aces preflop? 89 suited?

Ace wrote:What's the best hand to have against Aces preflop? 89 suited?

Pretty much. I think the actual highest odds are 9-T suited, in a suit different than either Ace. No matter what you have, you're no better than about 5-1.

A few more things used for classification of "idiot poker players":

*Players that think they lose with Aces more than they win with them.
*Players that have a hand dominated with all of their chips in the pot, get sucked out on, then criticize the other player for making a bad play. (WHY ARE YOU MAD????AREN'T THESE THE SITUATIONS YOU WANT TO BE IN???WHY DON'T YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT IT WHEN YOU WIN????)
*Players that don't protect their hand then get upset when they lose.
*Players that make a minimum re-raise preflop when the blinds are small.
*"I knew that's what you had." -Sure you did.

InvincibleCakeEater wrote:

Ace wrote:What's the best hand to have against Aces preflop? 89 suited?

Pretty much. I think the actual highest odds are 9-T suited, in a suit different than either Ace. No matter what you have, you're no better than about 5-1.

4-1. And there are a few hands 9-10 and 8-9 for example that are better than 4-1. But in the short run there isn't a lot of difference between an 18% chance and 22% chance to win.

InvincibleCakeEater wrote:

Ace wrote:What's the best hand to have against Aces preflop? 89 suited?

Pretty much. I think the actual highest odds are 9-T suited, in a suit different than either Ace. No matter what you have, you're no better than about 5-1.

Ya, I think you're right. Those odds would be 4-1 though.

It almost doesn't even matter what you are holding. The difference between the best and worst hands preflop against AA is like 10% I think.

haltz wrote:It almost doesn't even matter what you are holding. The difference between the best and worst hands preflop against AA is like 10% I think.

No. Although you are close to being correct. AK has terrible odds of like 6% to win. Whereas 8-9 suited has as much as a 22 or 23% chance of winning. But for any other random hand you would be right.

cardsfansince82 wrote:

haltz wrote:It almost doesn't even matter what you are holding. The difference between the best and worst hands preflop against AA is like 10% I think.

No. Although you are close to being correct. AK has terrible odds of like 6% to win. Whereas 8-9 suited has as much as a 22 or 23% chance of winning. But for any other random hand you would be right.

That's right. I forgot AK had such terrible odds.