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heyzeus wrote:

Fat Strat wrote:

Swingingbunt wrote:

The most productive batter for the St. Louis Cardinals is Jon Jay

Does...not...compute.

Right now they're tied in OPS+ and draft history & MiLB stats suggest that Jay will outperform Pujols long term.

BTW, Pujols this month: .484 .500 .935 1.435

That's insane.

Say what you will about the dude, Barry Bonds' 1.422 OPS in 2004 is insane in the mebrane.

i always take his stats during those years with a grain of salt... How many points of that 1.422 were achieved by the other team throwing up four fingers?

RxOfCowbell wrote: i always take his stats during those years with a grain of salt... How many points of that 1.422 were achieved by the other team throwing up four fingers?

Why does that matter?

Fat Strat wrote:

Swingingbunt wrote:

The most productive batter for the St. Louis Cardinals is Jon Jay

Does...not...compute.

Right now they're tied in OPS+ and draft history & MiLB stats suggest that Jay will outperform Pujols long term.


BTW, Pujols this month: .484 .500 .935 1.435

That's insane.

I know you're being a little tongue in cheek...but I'd be alright with Jay playing out of his GD mind for 10-15 years.

I like how even when Pujols "underperforms" (ESPN's wording), he's still better than 99.9% of baseball players.

InvincibleCakeEater wrote:

RxOfCowbell wrote: i always take his stats during those years with a grain of salt... How many points of that 1.422 were achieved by the other team throwing up four fingers?

Why does that matter?

which actually enhances the validity of the 1.422

InvincibleCakeEater wrote:

RxOfCowbell wrote: i always take his stats during those years with a grain of salt... How many points of that 1.422 were achieved by the other team throwing up four fingers?

Why does that matter?

*shrug* it works both ways. His counting stats should have been a lot higher because he was passed so much. I'm not being vindictive, i'm just saying his numbers are a little skewed.

RxOfCowbell wrote:

InvincibleCakeEater wrote:

RxOfCowbell wrote: i always take his stats during those years with a grain of salt... How many points of that 1.422 were achieved by the other team throwing up four fingers?

Why does that matter?

*shrug* it works both ways. His counting stats should have been a lot higher because he was passed so much. I'm not being vindictive, i'm just saying his numbers are a little skewed.

He walked over 100 times without the intentional walk. He slugged .812. Think about that. He scared the opposition so much they just put him on intentionally 20% of the time. That shouldn't discredit anything.

Cardinals Lineup tonight

Lopez 3B
Jay RF
Pujols 1B
Holliday LF
Rasmus CF
Molina C
Schumaker 2B
Garcia P
Ryan SS

InvincibleCakeEater wrote:

RxOfCowbell wrote:

InvincibleCakeEater wrote:

RxOfCowbell wrote: i always take his stats during those years with a grain of salt... How many points of that 1.422 were achieved by the other team throwing up four fingers?

Why does that matter?

*shrug* it works both ways. His counting stats should have been a lot higher because he was passed so much. I'm not being vindictive, i'm just saying his numbers are a little skewed.

He walked over 100 times without the intentional walk. He slugged .812. Think about that. He scared the opposition so much they just put him on intentionally 20% of the time. That shouldn't discredit anything.

how many of those were unintentional intentional walks?

i'm not trying to discredit him. there is no doubting that he had probably the best offensive years during the history of baseball in that time. But I just don't think that pointing to a 1.422 OPS is the best measure of that.

fanforever wrote:Cardinals Lineup tonight

Lopez 3B
Jay RF
Pujols 1B
Holliday LF
Rasmus CF
Molina C
Schumaker 2B
Garcia P
Ryan SS

TLR is suddenly a man of stability.

Cincinnati Lineup:

Phillips 2B
Janish SS
Votto 1B
Rolen 3B
Gomes LF
Heisey RF
Stubbs CF
Hernandez C
Cueto P