Tebow Talk

[Jocephus]

http://www.salon.com/2012/01/12/what_if ... re_muslim/

[docellis]

[Socnorb11]

http://www.salon.com/2012/01/12/what_if ... re_muslim/

What a stupid, pointless article. If he was Muslim, then Muslims would appreciate him, and most others probably wouldn't. Since he's Christian, most Christians appreciate him, and most others really don't. There's nothing profound about that logic.

[stlouie_lipp]

This belongs in the ESPN rant thread (not the Tebow thread) but I am too lazy to look it up.

ESPN Broke Its Own Record By Making 160 Tim Tebow References In One Hour Of SportsCenter. Here Are All Of Them.

http://deadspin.com/5875622/

[Socnorb11]

http://www.thepostgame.com/features/201 ... -tim-tebow

He would not be only one to see something in Tebow. The Broncos coach at the time, Josh McDaniels, interviewed the Florida star at the Combine and left with the same impression. Those who were in the room that day said they were amazed at the way Tebow could dissect not only his college offense at Florida but also those of the Broncos as well as the Chargers and Patriots. They had never seen anything like it. And it was the beginning of an all-out Denver pursuit of Tebow that led to the Broncos taking him in the draft's first round.

But what the Broncos staff saw in Tebow, Herock noticed first. He saw it in the way the quarterback took apart offenses as cleanly as any player he's ever watched. He saw it when he played the role of a team executive, asking the tough questions and suggesting that Tebow was another Alex Smith -- then considered a bust -- because both played for Urban Meyer in college.

"Now hold on there Mr. Herock," Tebow interrupted, going on to say the comparison was not valid considering his Heisman Trophy and the two national championships he was a part of at Florida.

Herock chuckles into the phone. There is a feistiness to Tebow that many don’t often see.

"I told him, 'Make sure you tell (the NFL teams) that,'" Herock says.

Mostly though, he loved Tebow as a quarterback, which, of course, is where most NFL personnel people did not find the same brilliance. Yet as with Favre, Young and Williams, Herock believes Tebow has a resourcefulness lacking in the other prospects.

"He’s just like a coach," Herock says. "He can see things. He’s not particularly fast. He’s not particularly quick. He has good vision when he runs. He sees the holes when he runs. He’s got a special gift for seeing things on the field. He has a sixth-sense vision."

Herock pauses.

"There are so many things you can do with him,” he continues. "There are things you can do with him that they did years ago. When Len Dawson was the quarterback at Kansas City they had the moving pocket. They could so something like that with Tebow."


Even Tebow's much-criticized throwing motion didn't bother Herock, who counters by saying the quarterback's arm is strong and that things like a motion can be adjusted with coaching.

"Most of the great ones have worked at it," Herock says. "We worked out Danny Wuerffel (another former Florida quarterback) when I was working at Green Bay and he was throwing rainbow balls. (Tebow) doesn’t throw anything like that. I said to him 'Repetition will make you better.'"

None of what Herock says now is new. He has not crawled from the shadows now that Tebow is the story of the NFL. He practically shouted his praise of Tebow before the 2010 draft, telling everyone who called that the looming superstar in the group was the player about whom most were rolling their eyes. "He has the wisdom of a 40 or 50-year old," he said at the time, "in a 20-year-old kid."

Only now more people can hear him. So much of the talk this week will be about McDaniels' sudden return to the Patriots, where he worked for eight years before taking the Broncos job, and how McDaniels took a chance on Tebow that others didn’t dare. But before McDaniels there was Ken Herock and no one else. He screamed but few paid attention.

"My God that guy is special," Herock says.

They're listening now.

[Jocephus]

http://www.salon.com/2012/01/12/what_if ... re_muslim/

What a stupid, pointless article. If he was Muslim, then Muslims would appreciate him, and most others probably wouldn't. Since he's Christian, most Christians appreciate him, and most others really don't. There's nothing profound about that logic.

i expected that from you. i dont know why we cant think about it without it being called stupid and pointless. if he were muslim, he would not have the star power he does now, he would not have presidential candidates wanting to suckle from his teet, adoration even when he sucks, etc. the author says its a moot point but still, it's interesting (not to you of course).

[Transmogrified Tiger]

http://www.salon.com/2012/01/12/what_if ... re_muslim/

What a stupid, pointless article. If he was Muslim, then Muslims would appreciate him, and most others probably wouldn't. Since he's Christian, most Christians appreciate him, and most others really don't. There's nothing profound about that logic.

i expected that from you. i dont know why we cant think about it without it being called stupid and pointless. if he were muslim, he would not have the star power he does now, he would not have presidential candidates wanting to suckle from his teet, adoration even when he sucks, etc. the author says its a moot point but still, it's interesting (not to you of course).

There also wouldn't be a legion of people waiting to make his every mistake a referendum on his abilities either. There wouldn't be as many people who admire his convictions if he followed a less popular religion, just like there wouldn't be so many people who don't like his religion(or the people who admire him for his religion) if he followed a less popular religion. It's really not a noteworthy observation, and the hackneyed comparison to a mediocre NBA player thrown in with the rest of that nonsense doesn't really help that faux-intellectual point of view the author is trying to convey.

[Jocephus]

edit: nevermind. another reason to avoid forums.

[go birds]

Man I [expletive] hate tim tebow.

I hate him even more because I have to root for him this weekend because I got stuck with him on my fantasy team.

[expletive] you Tim tebow do awesome this weekend.

[vinsanity]

There also wouldn't be a legion of people waiting to make his every mistake a referendum on his abilities either.

I disagree. I don't think the line between Tebow Fans and Tebow Doubters is drawn on religion. Most of the legion of people using every mistake or flaw evidence of his eventual demise as an NFL QB are either annoyed an unconventional quarterback is succeeding or are entirely annoyed at the press, lavish praise and fanfare surrounding a QB before he ever started a game in the NFL.

The question then becomes; is part of his fanfare not only his faith but how vocal he is about it or was the fanfare being an unconventional QB who happened to win a Heisman? Note; Troy Smith was an unconventional QB and Heisman winner just a year before Tebow, won with a higher % of votes and was drafted in the 5th round with much less fanfare. Chris Weinke, Danny Wuerffel even Sam Bradford and Cam Newton won Heisman's and were drafted developed less fanfare than Tebow.

It's hard to not suggest part off the hysteria is his faith and I don't think asking how it would be if he were Jewish or Muslim or Atheist is an unfair thing to talk about. And can highlight some of the religious differences we have in this country outside of Tebow.