Michael wrote:I'm not doing backflips over this one.
It's worth noting we'll get draft picks if he declines arbitration in the off-season.
That's the other scary thing... what if his asking price is huge, nobody signs him, and the Cardinals have to take him to an arbitration judge? His price will be unwieldy and you don't get draft picks.
On the other hand, you have an excellent player with the low risk one year contact before an AP extension. My guess he'll get around 18m-20m? Not ideal, but it could be worse.
I'm warming a little too.
That kind of thing torpedoes any foray they have into the FA market. You budget X amount to spend in free agency to fill whatever holes you can fill. But out of the fear of that happening (Holliday going to an arb. judge), you drastically reduce that amount you'd spend on FA just because you don't want to blow your budget out of whack on one guy.
This scenario absolutely positively should NOT be the case. We've been hearing for years that "the money is available for the right opportunity, and said right opportunity has never seemed to quite present itself.
According to ESPN.com's Tim Kurkijan, the Cardinals are close to acquiring outfielder Matt Holliday from the A's.
Kurkijan, echoed by fellow ESPN.com writer Buster Olney, claims the Cardinals will give up top prospect Brett Wallace plus right-hander Clayton Mortensen and outfielder Shane Peterson. It seems like a very high price to pay for Holliday, an impending free agent who is owed around $6 million for the rest of this season. But, hey, Oakland GM Billy Beane has swindled the Cardinals before and is plenty capable of doing it again.
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According to ESPN.com's Tim Kurkijan, the Cardinals are close to acquiring outfielder Matt Holliday from the A's.
Kurkijan, echoed by fellow ESPN.com writer Buster Olney, claims the Cardinals will give up top prospect Brett Wallace plus right-hander Clayton Mortensen and outfielder Shane Peterson. It seems like a very high price to pay for Holliday, an impending free agent who is owed around $6 million for the rest of this season. But, hey, Oakland GM Billy Beane has swindled the Cardinals before and is plenty capable of doing it again.
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AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote:
According to ESPN.com's Tim Kurkijan, the Cardinals are close to acquiring outfielder Matt Holliday from the A's.
Kurkijan, echoed by fellow ESPN.com writer Buster Olney, claims the Cardinals will give up top prospect Brett Wallace plus right-hander Clayton Mortensen and outfielder Shane Peterson. It seems like a very high price to pay for Holliday, an impending free agent who is owed around $6 million for the rest of this season. But, hey, Oakland GM Billy Beane has swindled the Cardinals before and is plenty capable of doing it again.
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That's too high a price to pay and would be a swindle, IMO.
According to ESPN.com's Tim Kurkijan, the Cardinals are close to acquiring outfielder Matt Holliday from the A's.
Kurkijan, echoed by fellow ESPN.com writer Buster Olney, claims the Cardinals will give up top prospect Brett Wallace plus right-hander Clayton Mortensen and outfielder Shane Peterson. It seems like a very high price to pay for Holliday, an impending free agent who is owed around $6 million for the rest of this season. But, hey, Oakland GM Billy Beane has swindled the Cardinals before and is plenty capable of doing it again.
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AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote:The Cardinals have shown they will spend more for the right guy. Holliday is that guy, imo. The Cards were like 8 or 9 in payroll for a while... now I believe they are 13 orso....
That's where I disagree. I don't think Holliday is that guy.
He's a good player to have around. He upgrades them for this year. But his cost via FA is likely to go through the roof. He's a classic case of a guy who will get waaaay more money than he earns because of all of his magic pixie dust intangibles (he's bald! he hustles! he was clutchtastic in the playoffs one time!), and that price is only worsened by the fact that Wallace is part of it.
I'm all for dealing Wallace but I don't think Matt Holliday is who you deal him for.
AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote:
According to ESPN.com's Tim Kurkijan, the Cardinals are close to acquiring outfielder Matt Holliday from the A's.
Kurkijan, echoed by fellow ESPN.com writer Buster Olney, claims the Cardinals will give up top prospect Brett Wallace plus right-hander Clayton Mortensen and outfielder Shane Peterson. It seems like a very high price to pay for Holliday, an impending free agent who is owed around $6 million for the rest of this season. But, hey, Oakland GM Billy Beane has swindled the Cardinals before and is plenty capable of doing it again.
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That's too high a price to pay and would be a swindle, IMO.[/quote]
no one should lose any sleep over mortenson and/or peterson. if they are the grease thrown on the gears of an impact player trade to make them turn, then grease away. They are organizational filler.
Holliday may be our best chance at a playoff run and World Series this year
surely you jest. i hope..
of what we have available and are likely to get, no I'm not jesting. It sounds like we've been out of the Halladay discussion for a while. Holliday was much more attainable.
Who would you prefer?
Plus, look at it this way. What gains us more wins. Halladay over todalion or Holliday over Ankiel/Stainoha?
this.
Pitching wins championships..
Weaver, Carp and Suppan won in 2006. I would take Carp, Wano and Lohse/Pineiro any day of the week.
Holliday may be our best chance at a playoff run and World Series this year
surely you jest. i hope..
of what we have available and are likely to get, no I'm not jesting. It sounds like we've been out of the Halladay discussion for a while. Holliday was much more attainable.
Who would you prefer?
Plus, look at it this way. What gains us more wins. Halladay over todalion or Holliday over Ankiel/Stainoha?
this.
Pitching wins championships..
Weaver, Carp and Suppan won in 2006. I would take Carp, Wano and Lohse/Pineiro any day of the week.
yeah, luck and getting hot at the right time wins championships. Putting together a good team puts you in the position to have that happen.
AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote:
According to ESPN.com's Tim Kurkijan, the Cardinals are close to acquiring outfielder Matt Holliday from the A's.
Kurkijan, echoed by fellow ESPN.com writer Buster Olney, claims the Cardinals will give up top prospect Brett Wallace plus right-hander Clayton Mortensen and outfielder Shane Peterson. It seems like a very high price to pay for Holliday, an impending free agent who is owed around $6 million for the rest of this season. But, hey, Oakland GM Billy Beane has swindled the Cardinals before and is plenty capable of doing it again.
Source: ESPN.com
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That's too high a price to pay and would be a swindle, IMO.
no one should lose any sleep over mortenson and/or peterson. if they are the grease thrown on the gears of an impact player trade to make them turn, then grease away. They are organizational filler.
Perhaps, but it seems like Mortensen is the only 5th rotation pitcher anyone gives the time of day to in minor league prospect evaluations I read.
If the Cards go out and get some other pitcher anyway, then it's fine, but I would think if they make this move they wouldn't take on any more payroll.
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