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Re: My prediction: We sign Robert for a total of $65 mil. Yo

Posted: May 23 17, 11:16 am
by Famous Mortimer
Do Goold's actual articles (the ones that the FO reads, I guess) have that level of fire in them?

Re: My prediction: We sign Robert for a total of $65 mil. Yo

Posted: May 23 17, 11:35 am
by Tim
Famous Mortimer wrote:Do Goold's actual articles (the ones that the FO reads, I guess) have that level of fire in them?
No

Re: My prediction: We sign Robert for a total of $65 mil. Yo

Posted: May 23 17, 11:37 am
by Famous Mortimer
Ah well. He's asking us to hold the FO accountable, but isn't that kind-of his job?

Re: My prediction: We sign Robert for a total of $65 mil. Yo

Posted: May 23 17, 11:44 am
by MrCrowesGarden
Famous Mortimer wrote:Ah well. He's asking us to hold the FO accountable, but isn't that kind-of his job?
Yes.

I've accused Goold/P-D of being just extended PR firms for the Cardinals for some time, but I really think he feels stunned by this one. Maybe this is the straw that broke this camel's back. It all goes back to the idea of "if you're not going to spend on this guy, when are you?"

Re: My prediction: We sign Robert for a total of $65 mil. Yo

Posted: May 23 17, 2:00 pm
by Socnorb11
pioneer98 wrote:This site says the Cardinals revenue in 2016 was $310 million:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/196 ... ince-2006/

The Cards' 25 man opening day payroll in 2016 was $145 million:
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compe ... cardinals/

So that's like 46.7% for 2016. The number vary depending on which ones you use (25 man vs 40 man for example). But the trend is clearly downward since 2005 no matter how you really look at it.


How does that number compare to other teams?

Re: My prediction: We sign Robert for a total of $65 mil. Yo

Posted: May 23 17, 2:06 pm
by Famous Mortimer
I looked for that a while ago, then realised I couldn't be bothered. I don't particularly care what the other teams do. I know what you're getting at (maybe payroll is going down across the league), but it doesn't make what's happening to the Cardinals right (or wrong, depending).

Re: My prediction: We sign Robert for a total of $65 mil. Yo

Posted: May 23 17, 2:07 pm
by MrCrowesGarden
Socnorb11 wrote:
pioneer98 wrote:This site says the Cardinals revenue in 2016 was $310 million:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/196 ... ince-2006/

The Cards' 25 man opening day payroll in 2016 was $145 million:
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compe ... cardinals/

So that's like 46.7% for 2016. The number vary depending on which ones you use (25 man vs 40 man for example). But the trend is clearly downward since 2005 no matter how you really look at it.


How does that number compare to other teams?
Admittedly, there are some discrepancies that I haven't looked over yet.

Re: My prediction: We sign Robert for a total of $65 mil. Yo

Posted: May 23 17, 2:33 pm
by Spider John
MrCrowesGarden wrote:
Famous Mortimer wrote:Ah well. He's asking us to hold the FO accountable, but isn't that kind-of his job?
Yes.

I've accused Goold/P-D of being just extended PR firms for the Cardinals for some time, but I really think he feels stunned by this one. Maybe this is the straw that broke this camel's back. It all goes back to the idea of "if you're not going to spend on this guy, when are you?"

Goold is the beat reporter, so I think he's supposed to get the news, and not give opinions. That's the columnist job.

I read most of his chats, and he does take the team to task when needed.

Re: My prediction: We sign Robert for a total of $65 mil. Yo

Posted: May 23 17, 2:38 pm
by MrCrowesGarden
Spider John wrote:
MrCrowesGarden wrote:
Famous Mortimer wrote:Ah well. He's asking us to hold the FO accountable, but isn't that kind-of his job?
Yes.

I've accused Goold/P-D of being just extended PR firms for the Cardinals for some time, but I really think he feels stunned by this one. Maybe this is the straw that broke this camel's back. It all goes back to the idea of "if you're not going to spend on this guy, when are you?"

Goold is the beat reporter, so I think he's supposed to get the news, and not give opinions. That's the columnist job.

I read most of his chats, and he does take the team to task when needed.

It's not his job to be a mouthpiece for the organization, which has happened in the past.

Re: My prediction: We sign Robert for a total of $65 mil. Yo

Posted: May 23 17, 3:25 pm
by lukethedrifter
MrCrowesGarden wrote:
Spider John wrote:
MrCrowesGarden wrote:
Famous Mortimer wrote:Ah well. He's asking us to hold the FO accountable, but isn't that kind-of his job?
Yes.

I've accused Goold/P-D of being just extended PR firms for the Cardinals for some time, but I really think he feels stunned by this one. Maybe this is the straw that broke this camel's back. It all goes back to the idea of "if you're not going to spend on this guy, when are you?"

Goold is the beat reporter, so I think he's supposed to get the news, and not give opinions. That's the columnist job.

I read most of his chats, and he does take the team to task when needed.

It's not his job to be a mouthpiece for the organization, which has happened in the past.

I don't think that's accurate. He's a low key, no drama sort.