Socnorb11 wrote:You're completely misunderstanding or intentionally misrepresenting the context of that statement
Heh
Listen to it again. Listen to the question and the answer.
It's really really really clear that he's talking about his Christianity bleeding into "this controversy", and not his thoughts or statement.
Uh huh. I've been reading your arguments for going on 10 years now. I know when a conversation with you is no longer worth having. You take context and track record only into consideration when it suits your argument.
controversy is a lot more offensive than distraction.
doesn't his Christianity go into his thoughts and decision making?
this is just a personal comment, but im really getting tired of religious excuses. they dont work anymore. its not a valid point. when someone uses their religion as their rationale/reasoning i just throw my hands up. thats an end all be all. you cant counter that. its not a real argument.
Socnorb11 wrote:You're completely misunderstanding or intentionally misrepresenting the context of that statement
Heh
Listen to it again. Listen to the question and the answer.
It's really really really clear that he's talking about his Christianity bleeding into "this controversy", and not his thoughts or statement.
Uh huh. I've been reading your arguments for going on 10 years now. I know when a conversation with you is no longer worth having. You take context and track record only into consideration when it suits your argument.
I'm fully aware of Dungy's stance on gay marriage. You realize that Michael Sam isn't married, correct? You also realize that homosexuality isn't the only sin mentioned in the bible that Tony Dungy's faith is built on, correct? Your premise is that Tony Dungy is only willing to give practicing Christians a chance............ his history of coaching proves that your premise is incorrect.
Are you sticking to your guns on the 4:58 comment, after re-listening to it?
Jocephus wrote:controversy is a lot more offensive than distraction.
doesn't his Christianity go into his thoughts and decision making?
this is just a personal comment, but im really getting tired of religious excuses. they dont work anymore. its not a valid point. when someone uses their religion as their rationale/reasoning i just throw my hands up. thats an end all be all. you cant counter that. its not a real argument.
end rant.
The "controversy" here that's being discussed is Tony Dungy, not Michael Sam. I doubt if Tony Dungy is offended by his statements being called "controversial".
Did you listen to the interview, Joc?
He says that his Christianity doesn't come into play when building a football team. My Christianity doesn't come into play when I hire people. Many of my employees are not Christian. I don't care............. at all.
I'm not sure what religious excuses you're talking about.
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Tony Dungy wrote:And though I am a committed Christian, I believe that everyone has the right to their own religion, be you Hindu, Jewish or Muslim. I believe there are infinite paths to accepting Jesus Christ as your personal savior.
Jocephus wrote:controversy is a lot more offensive than distraction.
doesn't his Christianity go into his thoughts and decision making?
this is just a personal comment, but im really getting tired of religious excuses. they dont work anymore. its not a valid point. when someone uses their religion as their rationale/reasoning i just throw my hands up. thats an end all be all. you cant counter that. its not a real argument.
end rant.
The "controversy" here that's being discussed is Tony Dungy, not Michael Sam. I doubt if Tony Dungy is offended by his statements being called "controversial".
Did you listen to the interview, Joc?
He says that his Christianity doesn't come into play when building a football team. My Christianity doesn't come into play when I hire people. Many of my employees are not Christian. I don't care............. at all.
I'm not sure what religious excuses you're talking about.
birth control, abortion, gay marriage, etc. i wasn't talking about you specifically. or even dungy for that matter. i know all christians interpretations vary, based on their life experiences, from whats actually in the bible so i can't comment as a whole. but the people who deny rights because of religion really tick me off. just a personal comment.
Tony Dungy wrote:And though I am a committed Christian, I believe that everyone has the right to their own religion, be you Hindu, Jewish or Muslim. I believe there are infinite paths to accepting Jesus Christ as your personal savior.
this was actually stephen colbert at the white house correspondents dinner some years back. i just thought it was great though.
haltz wrote:Both are excuses to be bigoted and discriminatory.
A bunch of MLB teams didn't want the distraction of Jackie Robinson. Don't defend Tony Dungy or call him anything other than a coward. You're on the wrong side of history.
This still sums it up.
If he doesn't have a problem with Sam's sexuality, then he's contributing to/creating the distraction he's referring to. In this day and age, more than likely this isn't going to be a big deal. The NBA has had an openly gay player for several months now, and according to him he's gotten taunts from one other player. Dungy might just be out of touch, but even so when you consider what Jackie Robinson went through, it's hard to take the distraction argument seriously. That leads me to believe the distraction angle is something he's telling himself to justify his own discomfort with the idea.
Jocephus wrote: birth control, abortion, gay marriage, etc. i wasn't talking about you specifically. or even dungy for that matter. i know all christians interpretations vary, based on their life experiences, from whats actually in the bible so i can't comment as a whole. but the people who deny rights because of religion really tick me off. just a personal comment.
I don't entirely disagree with you. The Hobby Lobby thing specifically rubbed me the wrong way.
